Unit 731 is, in short, probably the worst thing ever designed for the punishment of human beings. Boys are being kidnapped, forcibly circumciseda major sin in the Mandaean religionand forcibly converted to Islam. My dad was drafted into the Army just before WWII, later went through OCS and was commissioned and was not required to undergo circumcision either to enter the Army or to be commissioned. You see, hell ships were normally just reconstituted transport ships; outside observers often had no clue that they contained hundreds of their own imprisoned men. [17] After the First Roman-Jewish War, a head tax, the Fiscus Judaicus, was levied against all Jews. For female circumcision, see, History and contemporary forced circumcision. Men are more embarassed about their own bodies than ladies. around 20% of uk men are circumcised by their mid forties. 2005 Jul;14(7):1710-6. doi: 10.1158/1055-9965.EPI-04-0926. By READE LEVINSON. And unless the claim covers something that an ordinary layperson can recognize as malpractice, it must include an affidavit from the claimant saying he or she consulted with a health care professional who believes the military health care provider breached the standard of care and caused the alleged harm, according to the notice. J90, Kenneth, British heritage. [60], In late January 2008, a disputed election in which circumcision became an issue between President Mwai Kibaki, a Kikuyu and opposition candidate Raila Odinga, a Luo, "the fact that Odinga was uncircumcised became an issue: He was seen by some Kikuyus as a 'child' unfit to rule because he had not passed through circumcision and initiation." [12] Archaeological evidence suggests that, during this period, Gentiles fled from Galilee to avoid being forcibly circumcised. But a fact thats commonly left out is why the Vietnamese actually did it. 8. Dont know how accurate it is, but I recall reading once that a lot of uncircumcised soldiers in the US armed forces had trouble in the South Pacific island hopping campaign during World War II. The evil penis mutilators and their army of braindead sheep, walking blithely to slaughter their genitals and the genitals belonging to their children. In which the penis is in essence removed but that is a surgery of last resort for that species and the cats life is often in the balance. Lilian N. Ndangam, "'Lifting the Cloak on Manhood': Coverage of Xhosa Male Circumcision in the South African Press," in: Egodi Uchendu, ed., Angela Nickerson, Richard A. Bryant, Robert Brooks, Zachary Steel, Derrick Silove, "Fear of Cultural Extinction and Psychopathology among Mandaean Refugees: An Exploratory Path Analysis,", Angela Nickerson, Richard A. Bryant, Zachary Steel, Derrick Silove, Robert Brooks, "The impact of fear for family on mental health in a resettled Iraqi refugee community,", Marcel Rutten, Sam Owuor, "Weapons of mass destruction: Land, ethnicity and the 2007 elections in Kenya,". . 99% of your riding/horse work will consist of walking around so have a horse that can do that as well. The Teso man, who agreed to a medical circumcision, condemned the Bukusu youths for trying to impose their culture on the Teso. One exception is the famed warrior Tlahuicole, who beat to death eight of the Aztecs best tiger knights with his bare hands. After a field exercise with no shower for a week, I decided to get it done on leave. Anti-circumcision advocates deny that they are motivated by anti-Semitic or anti-Islamic feelings. 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Forced circumcision of British troops, the symbols of the country's strength and masculinity (293), was psychically akin to castration and was . CORRECTION: I omitted one word above, it should read he was NOT asked about it. So young and already in this depraved environment. I have seen photos online of uncircumcised penises. This post is for those circumcised while in the military. The children were coerced into denouncing Christianity and becoming Muslims, and were then given new Turkish names. Do uncircumcised guys get forced to get a circumcision in the military? I believe there was an American officer with severe phimosis which hold him back to fight. I can't find anything about this online and I'm too shy to ask other people so I'm asking here. Many African countries have already taken a special interest in adult MC for their military forces, resulting in increased numbers of these surgeries among this special population of men. To be considered, medical malpractice claims must be for injuries that were "incident to service," according to the register notice. Claims must include an affidavit when filed by an attorney or authorized representative, affirming they are authorized to do so on the service members behalf. [36] In 2005, the Gulf Times discussed a case of forced circumcision of Nepalese boys in Mumbai in the context of sex trade in large Indian cities. The Portal for Public History. [69] According to Thembela Kepe, traditional leaders allege that the ban on forced circumcision is "a violation of cultural rights enshrined in the Constitution."[70]. Attacking an earlier article by David Vernon, he writes: "In attempting to ridicule the notion that circumcision arose in the Middle East to solve problems caused by 'sand and dust', Vernon cites an article by Robert Darby, an anti-circ activist. However, the benefits of adult MC for men in military service have been poorly documented. We help/share contribute, remember this is a self-funded site, we all need to thank developer, regards. I believe (? [85][86] An anti-circumcision movement known as intactivism has been ongoing due to the human rights abuse of circumcising healthy boys for disputable health benefits. In "Helmet for my Pillow", Robert Leckie notes that he had had tried to join up right after Pearl Harbor, but they required him to have the operation done which delayed his enlistment until early 1942. I'm someone who was born in a first world country, to immigrant parents of some South Asian country. A dozen men were seized and stripped naked before they were forced to undergo circumcisions in western Kenya as part of a 'ceremony', it has been reported. They all walked around for about a week later with little white paper cups of meds taped to the end of their cocks. In 125 BC John Hyrcanus conquered Edom, which the Romans called Idumea; and the Idumeans were forcibly converted to Judaism, by threat of exile or death, depending on the source. There were various issues with the prepuce that were routinely treeated with surgery in those days, but it seems difficult to believe that there was a general order (even for just one branch of the service) for that particular surgery. Any circumcision performed on an infant could be considered forced circumcision due to the inability of the infant to give consent. Some testamonies said they did universally most of the newborn baby boys who were born in army hospitals. A circumcision and completion of military service are two major events throughout a boy's life. She is better than any imaginary horse, she gets me and I get her. Water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Numerous times in Josephus, for example, we encounter accounts where non-Jews are under pressure to circumcise (the Idumaeans in A.J. Choosing Circumcision is a personal site, not for profit. Before the enforced Idumean and Iturean circumcision are repeated elsewhere (e.g. The operation gained popularity after World War II, when the soldiers returned home and started the Baby Boom generation. Bookshelf In the settlement that was reached, and which was made an order of the Equality Court, the Congress of Traditional Leaders accepted the right of adult males to choose whether to attend traditional circumcision schools according to their religious beliefs. So Washington ordered him to fix it and to get circumcised. [78] In all these cases, family members of the victims approved of the forced circumcision. You are at a gateway to WWII discussion, research, exploration, & analysis. Choosing Circumcision is a site I pay for out of pocket because other men need it, and because without it there just isn't any first-hand experience to be found on the internet. Many years later, with a bit of encouragement from my wife, I asked about being circumcised for non medical reasons and it was performed in a military hospital. Riding through the forest is a lovely idea, but it can be terrifying. Claims that challenge discretionary agency policies, known as the discretionary function exemption, cannot be considered, the notice states. He further reported that one of the clerics urinated on his wound, saying it would stop infection. In December 2004, 45-year-old Nceba Cekiso was caught and circumcised against his will. When I was aboard a US Navy ship one of the Marines I knew was ordered by the ships doctor to have one after reporting to sick bay, I know not for what I suspect it was a problem related to his prepuce. My DH is former military, and when we were first pregnant and asked a nurse at the (military) OB clinic about circumcision, we were fed the BS about the military formerly requiring it because it was so unclean during combat. I am 66 and just over 20% are circumcised. Summarized by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, "the victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position. He said he saw other naked men there but he was pretty sure they were not circumcised but had their foreskin pushed back. Bioessays. I screamed a lot and cried for help" He complained that police left him in a pool of blood, taking weapons left behind by the Kikuyu gang. I believe more circumcision happened in the army, because the military service was the first time that young men were away from home. It apologised for the comments made by its former chairman encouraging the ostracism of teenagers who refused to undergo traditional circumcision. The worst part? Wednesday, 31 January, 2001, 15:15 GMT. A friend who joined up at the same time as me had it done while in training. Significant reduction in HIV prevalence according to male circumcision intervention in sub-Saharan Africa. The Defense Department will pay claims under $100,000 directly to service members or their estates. Circumcision is still quite common amongst upper class British, who are well represented in the Officer corps. [Male circumcision is an effective "surgical vaccine" for HIV prevention and reproductive health]. However, an expert opinion is not necessarily required at the time of filing, the notice adds. Do I need to lie that I'm already circumcised, and will I ever have to be naked around other people? (288). Can they extend my service if they find out I was hiding it. Oliver, was this British Army. That isunless you were captured while the Aztecs were paying tribute to Tezcatlipoca, their most powerful god. This passage marks what is for some the beginning of a number of cases of forced circumcision by Jews in our ancient sources. When I joined the British army in the late 60s circumcision was recommended for anyone who had a tight foreskin and could not retract it easily. Summary. [30] Cromwell Massey, who kept a secret diary during his captivity, wrote: "I lost with the foreskin of my yard all those benefits of a Christian and Englishman which were and ever shall be my greatest glory. [62], In September 2010, at Malaba, West Kenya, a 21-year-old Teso man was lured to a hotel, drugged, smeared with fermented millet flour and was being led away by several Bukusu to be circumcised when the police intervened. One of my sons was circumcised at 3 in military hospital for medical reasons. having served in a (Central) European army, I dont recall being checked for those genital health concerns. 9 Soviet POWs Punished By Their Own Comrades The new regulation, which will take effect 30 days after Thursday's publication in the Federal Register, marks a significant step in service members' or families' ability to seek recourse for malpractice. [74] Voice of America, referring to the same practice, reports: "Among the Bagishu, uncircumcised men are treated with contempt; they are not allowed in society and in most cases they are seen as failing to get local women for marriage. As a low-threshold offer. In South East Asians such as Vietnamese, as well as Japanese and Chinese, the foreskin tends to be short and the custom is to wear it pulled back after puberty. [58] In August 2002, following a violent incident in Butere/Mumias District, a district commissioner instructed the police to "crack down on traditional surgeons involved in forcible circumcision. The other was the case of a New Zealander, in his mid 20s, who developed phimosis which required circumcision. She didnt elaborate on what aspects of it they discussed. Circumcision is the surgical removal of foreskin. Male circumcision and HIV in the Malian military. Circumcision didn't become wide-spread in the United States until the 1940's. Before that, the great majority of babies, children and adults were not circumcised. I had to drop out of (British Army) officer training at Sandhurst, to my great disappointment at the time. Ocean_Hair. In which case youd be tethered to an enormous stone slab and ordered to fight half a dozen of their finest warriors, who were armed to the teeth with obsidian weaponry. [64], In 2004, a 22-year-old Rastafari convert was seized by relatives and forcibly circumcised by group of Xhosa tribal elders and relatives.[65]. During the Japanese attempt to conquer China in 1937, a lot of blood was spilledand the Chinese were anything but kind to the Japanese soldiers they captured. "[83] Late in 1996, 34-year-old Irwin Brookdale was drinking with a group of Australian Aborigines on the banks of a river in far north Queensland. -- Patricia Kime contributed to this report. But I also wonder what an uncircumcised penis would feel like since she mentioned some things about her husband. Or is there a practical benefit, which is why it is only recommended for officers? Forcing people do undergo the ancient ritual has, in recent times, caused concern among human rights organisations (In) one instance two Rastafarians objected to the procedure on religious grounds. For Armenian boys the forced conversion meant they each had to endure painful circumcision as required by Islamic custom.29 In 1992, there was a report of forced circumcision of Yedizi men in Turkish Kurdistan.30 In 2002, there was a report that non-Muslim army recruits in Turkey were physically abused, 'insulted as "infidels" or as Prisoners were given mock weapons to fight this duel, and were invariably cut to pieces. Though the conditions on such ships were awful, thats not why they have a place on this list. Peterson Ssendi, "Ugandan Ethnic Group Criticized for Forced Male Circumcision," Voice of America, Kampala, 23 March 2007. AFAIK the only groups that are drafted (Jews & Druze) practice circumcision. The Aztecs have a reputation as one of the most barbaric civilizations of all time: their society revolved around sacrifice and war. [27], Forced conversions, involving forced circumcision, are echoed in a vast body of scholarly literature spanning the entire history of Islam. Looks are not everything and that is just one of many wonderful lessons my mare has taught me. [26] The Mishnah (compiled about 200 AD) is silent on this point, whereas the Mekhilta de-Rabbi Ishmael (written at the end of the fourth century or later) suggests that Jews might indeed possess uncircumcised slaves. The site is secure. It can accompany ethnic cleansing, forced religious conversion and forced conformity to tribal laws. 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Another her brothers joined the Army, and my father joined the Navy. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Clipboard, Search History, and several other advanced features are temporarily unavailable. The judge declared, "What is important in terms of the Constitution and law is that no one can be forced to submit to circumcision without his consent. Michael Glass, "Forced circumcision of men (abridged)" Journal of Medical Ethics (J Med Ethics doi:10.1136/medethics-2013-101626) September 2013. Martin Goodman, "Galilean Judaism and Judaean Judaism," in: William Horbury, W. D. Davies, John Sturdy, eds. I guess military circumcision is free for patiemt as it must be part of the healthcare pack during service. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Despite these accounts, there is considerable doubt about whether forced circumcision That would never be seen in our country. In 96 Nerva relaxed the Jewish tax as applying only to those who professed to be Jews. However, taxes and regulations requiring the holders of prestigious positions to become Muslims have been regarded as a form of forced conversion. They save money on the whole thing and just kick us in the balls occasionally. The reason was simply to break the will of the soldiers theyd captured. Both of us are also panning a trip together to Europe this summer. Karl Smallwood is on Twitter, and also has a website. "[47] As a result of the pogrom, the Greek minority eventually emigrated from Turkey. The medics operated on the uncut guys with no questions asked. So thats why we shared our experiences, but its all hypothetical because we Just dont have other experiences to compare to. Perpetrators often assume that they have every right to forcibly circumcise men or they use forced circumcision to terrorise others. In 2002, there was a report that non-Muslim army recruits in Turkey had been threatened with forced circumcision. The Soviets didnt look kindly on POWs, and many were accused of collaborating with the Nazis. In this review, we discuss the history of adult MC in the military along with the current trends and economic significance. Given the rapid expansion required of the military at that time, it seems like an awfully silly thing to bother with. An adult may decide to undergo this procedure for religious, cosmetic, medical, or cultural reasons . However, here in Europe, it wasnt done universally. A local police officer said as many as 10 teenagers had been snatched every day. [53] By organizing a successful mutiny, he was able to return home in 1622. "And Mattathias and his friends went around and tore down the altars; they forcibly circumcised all the uncircumcised boys that they found within the borders of Israel " (1 Macc. [56] One of those circumcised, Kostantinus Idi, reported: "I could not escape One of them held up my foreskin between pieces of wood while another cut me with a razor the third man held my head back, ready to pour water down my throat if I screamed. For this reason, in Gisu society, any boy or man who has been able to escape ritual circumcision (called "imbalu") faces the prospect of being forcibly circumcised. Stand by for lots of tedious questions about styles BTW. Lajous M, Mueller N, Cruz-Valdz A, Aguilar LV, Franceschi S, Hernndez-Avila M, Lazcano-Ponce E. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. If I have to do anything from looking for a lost dog to ring work to trail she is my go to girl. A woman who belongs to the army would be discharged as soon as she is pregnant. Home Forums General Military Circumcision. If you were unlucky enough to face the Aztecs in combat and be taken prisoner, your options for negotiation were pretty much limited to having your heart cut out. Input and information from other guys (and their partners) is what keeps this site alive and helps it grow. I did many circumcisions, so, if a soldier was referred to me on one of the mentioned diagnosis, there was a 99% chance his weapon would be stripped of its cover, so to speak.. Lightstone, "Roman Diaspora Judaism," p. 363. 13.319]).1 Josephus himself even claims to have stopped the forced circumcision of two non-Jewish nobles (Vit. She told me the story with my dad. Even he said later That was all it is!? I understand that when the British army still had a large presence in Germany before 1990 there were several military hospitals and I understand that routine infant circumcision was often done. Rawlins later reported that, after being taken to Algiers, two younger men were "by force and torment compelled to turn Turks," which means that they were forcibly circumcised. [2] Forced circumcisions have occurred in a wide range of situations, most notably in the compulsory conversion of non-Muslims to Islam[3] and the forced circumcision of Teso, Turkana and Luo men in Kenya, as well as the abduction of South African teenage boys to so-called circumcision schools ("bush schools"). We dont intend to cheat, but I am trying to convince her to go to a clothing optimal beach with me so we can at least look and compare. I got done while in the US Army, but not by them. 2.454). After the Second World War, there was a remarkable split in circumcision rates in the USA and Britain. 110. [24] Diaspora Jews might circumcise their male slaves as well as adult male converts and Jewish male infants. The East India Company had its own army, augmented by the Royal Army, both made up of English and Scots who, with Indian sepoys, defended the Company's personnel, settlements, and goods. government site. Mary C. Fuller, "John Rawlins," in: Ivo Kamps, Jyotsna G. Singh, eds. Peter Tomson, "Transformations of Post-70 Judaism: Scholarly Reconstructions and Their Implications for our Perception of Matthew, Didache, and James," in: Huub van de Sandt, Jrgen Zangenberg, eds, Steven Weitzman, "Forced Circumcision and the Shifting Role of Gentiles in Hasmonean Ideology,", Alfred de Zayas, "The Istanbul Pogrom of 67 September 1955 in the Light of International Law,", This page was last edited on 21 April 2023, at 02:00. So, he had it done. Thank you all. Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by Kai-Petri, Mar 8, 2003. [82] Linguist and anthropologist Peter Sutton, commenting on forced circumcision and the absence of law enforcement in remote settlements, claims that Australian law has been applied in a patchy way: "Involuntary circumcision has long been widely accepted as being de facto outside the scope of Australian law. The new claims process is in addition to the compensation provided under the military's compensation system, which also covers combat injuries, training mishaps, motor vehicle accidents, or other. Careers. Zhonghua Nan Ke Xue. These were all the U.S. military. Im sure free circumcisions are on the list. As previously mentioned, I was circumcised after I was married so my wife has experienced sex with me before and after circumcision. Continue Reading. She was pro circumcision before we wed but did not insist that I should be circumcised, Im not sure if this was from experience or just family tradition, I never asked about her previous partners. An offer where everyone could decide for themselves. [7] [8] As reported by Josephus, circumcision was required of the Idumeans: Tripler During the following period, Islamization led to several Christians being forcibly circumcised. But what happened after the war makes it clear why they should be included. 113; B.J. With the possibility of war in the world, are new recruits undergoing Foreskin removal to satisfy standards? Why is it only for officers strongly suggested? Some prisoners were hung on metal hooks, others were beaten with clubs. If the Commander in Chief gives it an unlawful order the Military is obligated to refuse to obey it. "Man forced into circumcision" New Vision, 13 September 2006. There is no discovery process, the notice said, but claimants can obtain DoD records that are part of their personnel and medical records. She then took a small tube of plastic, and forced my swollen head inside it's chamber, until my entire cock head disappeared into it. I heard that the doc uses or gives such a patient an ampule of a chemical (anyone?) For four days, the men were forced to stand shoulder-to-shoulder in a space only constructed to hold as few as one thousand people. But how many problems would I have been spared if I had gone for the shining at that time? Mr John Otieko was cornered by a mob stripped naked, frog-marched to a nearby river and covered with clay then brought to Mayoni trading centre to be circumcised as an excited crowd watched. [citation needed] In 1829, nine-year-old Greek boy Alexandros Kitos and other young boys were kidnapped by Ottoman soldiers and sold into slavery in Egypt; all of them were circumcised against their will. Malpractice claims should be filed with the service member's branch, the notice states. The Indonesian army has evacuated hundreds of Christian refugees from two remote islands Kesui and Teor in the troubled Maluku province after the refugees said they'd been forced to convert to Islam. My wife and I were more than happy with the results. For Armenian boys, the forced conversion meant they each had to endure painful circumcision as required by Islamic custom. The Portuguese Friar Jaono dos Sanctos claimed that, annually in Algiers in the 1620s, more than nine hundred Christian slaves were converted to Islam, "besides about fifty boys yearly circumcised against their wills. When the penis is erect, the foreskin pulls back to reveal the penis. Living in the UK where circumcision in not common, I do not feel like the odd man out but as one of the fortunate ones who has been circumcised. But worse that what actually happened to the prisoners, is why it was done to them. These businesses suggest they can provide quick turnaround times on claims and higher benefit checks than if veterans choose Copyright 2023 Military.com. One 18-year-old Bosnian Serb soldier "was so brutally circumcised that eventually the entire organ required amputation."[88]. I used to keep my foreskin retracted as much as possible, for comfort and hygiene, before I was circumcised but had not considered circumcision before joining the army and meeting my wife overseas. Warmbloods might meet your requirements, standardbreds, thoroughbreds, grades (mixes), friesians, or any of a host of horses. Cookie Notice [10] According to Shaye J. D. Cohen, "Ptolemy's claim, that the Idumaeans were compelled to be circumcised and to adopt Jewish ways, is a simplified account of what these urban Idumaeans experienced. [56], Marco Polo, in his Travels, relates how a Christian king of Ethiopia took revenge on the Sultan of Aden, who had forcibly circumcised a bishop. Did the US military, at any time in history, ever force male service memvers to get circumcised? [81], Traditional circumcision is still practised in some tribal areas of Australia. This could include pay and allowances while on active duty or active status, disability retired or severance pay, incapacitation pay, involuntary and voluntary separation pays and incentives, or death gratuities, among others. 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