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Additionally, Timberdoodle offers both secular and Christian curriculum kits. I have another that still struggles to count to 20, but he's reading. BookShark is a complete, literature-based homeschool curriculum developed for students from pre-k through high school. Timberdoodle kits incorporate well-known and loved curriculums like Math U See (which is very familiar to us and uses concrete blocks to help teach concepts) and Story of the World. Regardless, I only recommend products or services that I believe will add value to my readers. You cannot paste images directly. Good to know that they have hands on activities. For the amount of money wed spend, we would basically be buying a year of toys and games, and no real learning opportunities. hahaha!!!! John used to post in the secular SL yahoo group as well as the SL forums. The amount of "teaching" time required will vary by level. BookShark is available for pre-kindergarten through tenth grade. Though maybe you like getting play sand everywhere. I love that top photo! But before I say what it is, heres what I found out about each one of these. Just curious! Secular PK to 12 Accredited Print-based or digital-only format with e-textbooks. That's in their advertisements? It also works best with a child who is able to develop a deep empathy with fictional characters and connect this empathy with what he/ she is studying in history. Much closer to what I want in a literature type curriculum and the owners are fantasticenough good stuff cannot be said about their customer service. Its much less overwhelming in terms of reading. 1. Make a selling point of being Christian then take the religion stuff out and sell under a different name. It turned out that BookShark was a spin-off from Sonlight, operating as a separate company to offer a secular option that is similar to Sonlight's Christian curriculum. Im actually still considering the pre-k level if Peanut is able to write by June or July. If you want to avoid something based on principle, avoid Answers in Genesis as a highly judgemental, holier-than-thou, if-you-don't-fully-believe-our-brand-of-Christianity-then-you-aren't-Christian con that uses this method to run competitors out of business. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Why stick them in a box? curriculum. Except Sonlight says it does just that using nothing more than their discussion questions. I think Tapestry of Grace is what you would want. I have to admit that other than the science, it does appeal to *me*. TIA -So yes, money is an issue. And I would recommend them to most homeschooling parents; but for us not so much. I use a lot of hands on and moving around when I can for subjects. I rejected it long ago because it is not the right program for my kids. They tend to be very dramatic, and emotional. I love the 4 day schedule that is all laid out for me. What an amazing curriculum! The outcome of this was that SL was basically banned from the homeschool conventions in their own state (Colorado). Like I said, I could say exactly the same thing about others, but have never felt that way about John Holzmann. I just looked over the third grade sample reading list. The quest for the perfect boxed curriculum, or at least an entire curriculum from one place that comes in one box. Math, science, and language arts are weak. We actually like Sonlight, and have friends using it. Copyright 2023 Timberdoodle Co. All Rights Reserved. But I am a tweaker at heart and my husband would probably pass out if I wanted to spend hundreds of dollars on a box that I would then spend ANOTHER hundred dollars tweaking to death. I have some more in-de. I happened upon Bookshark, and thought, "Wow! Timberdoodle's award-winning curriculum kits are suitable for grades 0-12 and packed with hands-on/STEM components. This arrangement makes it easier to select the correct level for each child in each subject and also makes it easier to combine children who are within three years of age into one level for some subjects. It's about what I expected. I like the way he thinks. I liked there being something pre-printed and ready to go while I made dinner. As in, my children are next to me at the table at this moment calling out all the stuff they want. Science, definitely. Sonlight includes a ton of books, while we at Timberdoodle opt to rely more heavily on your local library and not your budget. Yes, that would be a concern to me too, especially considering some of the ideas about American history that were in the Sonlight program. We stiil get to read the boks without using the curriculum that I'm not that enthused about. Packing is a pain, hey lets just have fun. Well, there is a great option for Kinesthetic learners. Its here, it's actually here!! You read your child 2 to 3 short stories from beautiful picture books. Your previous content has been restored. Sonlight does include some critical thinking tools, but not with quite the same scope. : Doodle and Draw, Imagidice (storytelling cubes), Postman Observation Game,Famous Figures of Ancient Times, and Learning Wrap-Ups for addition and subtraction. Timberdoodle can not ship to a PO Box. With wide open spaces, it can sometimes feel even lonelier when homeschooling. Note: BookShark is a literature-based approach. The important thing is inspiring the love of the work itself the kids will want to master it in their own time. It is unit based, so one week we learn about Musk Oxen and their habitat, and next week we learn about trees and their life cycles. Memoria press was another that was in the running, very much a fantastic literature based curriculum, Id just remove the bible and religious content of it. Box day would be fun. But I agree with you - I feel like this is different, since they've been so outspoken in the past about being uncompromisingly Christian. However, only their Reading with History and Science programs use living books. While younger children need more interaction and instruction, once children are able to read independently, they can complete many lessons on their own. Sarita has chosen to continue marketing to the Christian homeschool community. So why am I hesitant? Whats holding me back? TBH, you may want to take a look at Moving Beyond The Page as well. Over 30 classics and modern well loved books. Timberdoodle Co - Homeschool Curriculum, Resources, Materials & Books 5-Star Learning for Grades 0-12 Award-Winning All-In-One Curriculum Kits Shop the Kits Have I Got a Story For You! Oh believe me, I do avoid Ken Ham for the exact reason that you've mentioned. BookShark * Build Your Own Library Timberdoodle Classical Conversations * Lifepac * Sonlight * Abeka * Moving Beyond the Page History Story of the World * History Odyssey Science HMH Sciencefusion Apologia * Foreign Language Rosetta Stone *Website contains non-secular teaching resources Online Learning Sites Time4Learning Clickschooling Outschool 3. Here is a smattering of contrasts and comparisons that may prove helpful. Yes, their catalog just arrived and we are literally drooling over it right this second. Read the whole thing, not just the title. What better answer can be given to those seekers for knowledge?" Bookshark is free of religious and faith-based references. She's just very innocent and sensitive. Sonlight and Bookshark sell lapbook kits, or you could supplement with a related coloring book or activity while she listens to the story or audiobook. Peanut just isnt ready for the level 5-7 literature yet, or Id definitely use this one for our 2017-2018 year. It just doesn't give me the warm fuzziness. It has no literature. Can't swallow that. If I was in a season where I couldn't write 75% of our curriculum myself, which is a reasonable assumption, I would go with the new Well Trained Mind box. We use it and tailor it to our daily needs. I am not judgemental on whether someone is too Christian, or not enough Christiannone of my business. I have always thought the advertising and marketing people over at SL were genius. Bookshark falls down on the lack of hands-on activities too, but I will probably use the level 5-7 after this next year is done, since the 5-7 level has lots of arts, crafts etc. They dont vibe with our philosophies quite as nicely as some of the other offerings. ", Get a FREE subscription to Cathy's E-Newsletter. It would perhaps make for a fun first year homeschooling. The thought of two different cores makes me bug eyed. That business model does not work for them any more. I do, however use Sonlight/Bookshark as a reading list. The format of the charts is easy enough for students about third grade and above to check off on their own. I mean who wouldnt? But, maybe there were more secular people who were looking longingly at Sonlight than I ever realized? I am tempted to get it. I don't see anything CM like at all. I wouldn't expect just using any curriculum exactly as written to somehow result in my kids knowing how to think deeply, that comes from me teaching and modeling that, using the material as a jumping off point. I don't see Hobby Lobby opening a new store called Lobby Hobby, so they can avoid the hoopla that surrounds their legal woes due to their Christian views. Id have to supplement it with Mathematical Reasoning, Math Mammoth, or even Math U See Primer. Their curriculum kits also include STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) resources, critical thinking books and activities, and a number of items that have been among my Top Picks. Timberdoodle Homeschool Curriculum Horizons Homeschool Curriculum Bookshark Homeschool Curriculum The Good And The Beautiful Homeschool Curriculum ShillerMath Homeschool Montessori Curriculum Easy Peasy All-In-One Homeschool Curriculum Brave Writer Homeschool Curriculum Moving Beyond The Page Homeschool Curriculum Oak Meador Homeschool Curriculum You don't have to use a whole year package - you can pick just the language arts or just the social studies or just science.. One of the nice things about the programs you mentioned is that they're all pulled together, but one of the drawbacks is that they're not well known for having cohesive, continuous language arts. Additional resources that are used change from level to level. Principle. Bookshark- Boxed Curriculum- Secular version of Sonlight ; Calvert- Very old school, over 100 years old, tough but good and complete ; Time 4 Learning-online; Middle School/High School Online Learning. Christian Light Education. These Timberdoodle preschool kits are perfect for families who prefer to wait until kindergarten or later before introducing formal academic learning. Faith-free i.e. (I dont think their LA program is spectacular.) The History and Literature packages use an assortment of biographies, historical novels, and other books along with at least one spine booka launching point for their studiesin this case, a book that presents historical information in chronological order(e.g., The Landmark History of the American People and A History of US). So that's one potential reason. We also don't use their science, LA, or mathI am content to buy their readers and read alouds and make our own thing out of them. For years, Sonlight touted their Christianity as a major selling point. All Rights Reserved. BookShark combines a proprietary History, Science and Language Arts offering with a wide range of math options, including Math-U-See, Saxon, Singapore, and more to ensure you have everything you need for an entire school year. But I am more a go with the flow type. My friend has used it for years and her daughter has done really well with it. To me, that matters. Read-Alouds also help build your children's congnitive development and gives them a passion to learn. Due to everything that happened, he has chosen to market to the secular homeschool community. Display as a link instead, Sonlights preference of having it included makes it easy to include this most important subject, while our choice to leave it out means that families can move this topic from school to family devotions, and pick the approach that is best for their family. I want it all there for me. There are so many options out there for homeschool curriculum. Sonlight appealed to me before but the religious bent always took them off the list from the start. And unwaveringly Christian. Reading a couple pages here and there everyday would drive me crazyI'm a one book at a time type of girl. Its open and go! The commentary by Holzmans is of dubious value. Its not like they come to your home and do it for you. I don't care what your beliefs are, stand by your beliefs. But for my hands on learner, TBTG has been great. Very workbook intense. It is presented as levels based on age ranges rather than grades: level Pre-K and levels A through J. I also eliminated textbook heavy curricula. Sonlight comes with extensive documentation in the form of an Instructors Guide that tells you what to read and do each day, gives you extra notes to help you talk about any difficult subjects, suggests discussion questions to spur great conversations with your kids and helps you get the most from your books and timeline. They also have a 3-week sample available online. Although I could be wrong. I lean towards Project Based Learningso a curriculum of tons of reading is not for me. Sonlight and Bookshark appeal to both of us for their interesting looking books, but I wonder about being overwhelmed with reading. So, yeah, no. I don't know. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. But even then I'm not sure. This engaging program offers resources and literature that will challenge students as they learn from a variety of viewpoints. It incorporates STEM with things likeMorphun Blocks. What about the Trail Guide to Learning curriculums? I long ago rejected Sonlight, not because it religious, although that would be a major consideration. His was very clear that at one point he was suicidal. I saw a review on YouTube as well. Can anyone please give me some insight into the Moving Beyond the Page curriculum? My week is all planned for me! I do like how BS is age appropriate though, so less tweaking I imagine. Plus, she'd need third grade this year and we just finished a year of American History. Math is weak. And it may be that because they seem to be trying, that they'll respond to any concerns and tweak things. Because my oldest has mild intellectual disability, I picked the 1st grade curriculum to give us a good starting point. Upload or insert images from URL. Copyright 2010-2021 3. John loves writing homeschool materials, and he is good at it. Perhaps something like Moving Beyond the Page would be what you are looking for? It's a changed curriculum. Lastly I hated the scrunch map. We're trying MFW this year so I guess I'm wondering how it compares to that. Thanks! I like the idea of assigned reading and someone that has figured that all out for me. Yes, it does use lots of living literature books. We've reviewed a few here. Beginning Contact Who is BookShark Headquarters 8022 S Grant Way, Littleton, Colorado, 80122, United States Phone Number (303) 797-2954 Website www.bookshark.com Revenue $6.4M I do not recommend the Mad Mattr. Structure was another. My kids read a zillion books on their own time, but "doing" SL or bookShark is VERY time consuming! Ooothis discussion hits the nail on the head for me. I have 5 little ones and am a teacher by trade, so sure I can come up with those deep analytical questions to squeeze all I can from the books. Maybe try TGATB for LA since thats what theyre kind of known for, and its comprehensive. ButI know what you meanI currently have Bookshark open in a second windowmaking a reading list for this term LOL. Moving Beyond the Page 4-6: Wow! I love the books. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies. And I love how theyre travel-friendly. Yes, I can (and will) tweak, but I appreciate the foundation to build upon. I have seen this again and again in my experience with the Montessori method. But homeschooling is truly what you make it and in keeping with the premise of Homeschool Your Way todays podcast covers homeschooling, community, and of course a helpful hack or two. So, I'm seeing that many of you think BS/SL are just reading lists basically and the IG's are worthless? To the uninitiated, Timberdoodle is a small family business that offers curated curriculum choices both secular and religious. The Well-Trained Mind is the guide that millions of parents trust to help them create the best possible education for their child. Copyright 2010-2021 Today's podcast is for all your questions about books in the levels, how it differs from other levels, why you should consider BookSharks High School curriculum and more. Sonlight offers their programs in 5 day and 4 day a week options. The Abeka homeschool curriculum is one of the pioneers in homeschool resources supporting homeschoolers since the early 1970s. They serve different populations. They have so many great ideas on how to encourage handwriting without even using a pencil! Its ok. Were not fancy nancys or anything, but I really believe order has its place in the classroom as explained amazingly well in this inspiring read about Montessori handwriting. How Bookshark Stacks Up Secular. Consequently, when Timberdoodle decided to assemble grade-level programs for preschool through high school, they included puzzles and other hands-on learning resources. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), explained amazingly well in this inspiring read about Montessori handwriting, Montessori Homeschooling Week in Review: Vol 3, Homeschool Week: Vol 20 The One with Josie's Birthday, Timberdoodle Kit Review: a Montessorian Perspective, Finding the best Globes for our Homeschool. What's Different? The great debate is truly between Moving Beyond the Page, Five in a Row, and Bookshark. A to Z Preschool Curriculum. With any curriculum, isn't it what you put into it? And my 'big box of books' looks and awful lot like my local library, lol. Upload or insert images from URL. I'm more likely to use BS than SL. They didnt hate it. The chances that I would like ANY of the choices are slim. BookShark Virtual is an online platform that enables students to access their reading schedules, view Story Maps, take assessments, and receive instant auto-grading results. Im happy to share my perspective, though of course, I know our curriculum much better than I know theirs, so youll want to keep that in mind! BookShark's use of "real" books in this manner reflects the influence of Charlotte Mason'sapproach to education. I've run into a *lot* of people with the same complaints as mine. I thought the above was odd too. It is a little bit hard. I need to know what we are doing next, open and go. They have hands on history kits. It is a secular/faith-neutral curriculum. Timberdoodle also includes robust literature courses in 3rd-12th grade that contain the required reading in the text itself. The assortment of resources in the Timberdoodle kits is almost certainly going to prove more engaging for most children than would a single publishers complete line of traditional curricula. The secular kits were created by removing or replacing religious materials in the standard or elite kits. This year (not including onlne class fees for my 7/8th grader), we spent only 400 on curriculum for two kids. I will need to combine my kids and I wonder if I can do that with Bookshark. First of all, Timberdoodle has an online scheduler that Ive never seen the likes of before. I've never even considered it. Weve reviewed a few here. I would prefer a home library. I received curriculum in exchange for BookShark reviews. timberdoodle. By creating a secular version they are able to be used by charter schools, hence growing their business. It touches on all the continents and explores what life is like for different children of the world. Christian K to 12 Print-based Christian Liberty Press. Build your Library would win out for literature alone, but it falls down on hands-on activities. So in my quest, I eliminated any highly religious curricula (sorry My Fathers World, Sonlight, and Lifepac!). For levels A through H, BookShark offers Reading with History packages. For that, I could buy a curriculum and add in science and art where I want. Ooothis discussion hits the nail on the head for me. Sonlights sister company, BookShark, offers a charter school edition which is available for Pre-K through age 16. "No matter what we touch, an atom, or a cell, we cannot explain it without knowledge of the wide universe. This makes it a bit more expensive if you want the out of print copies since they sell for a ridiculous price. I don't see Chick-Fa-La opening a new restaurant with the same menu items, maybe one pickle instead of two, to avoid their controversy. There are a few religious books (ie. I have a kid that can't read with comprehension, but does 2nd grade math. We are focusing on the 3R's and supplementing with science and social studies type thingsto finish out this year, but I'm searching for something that has everything pieced together for me for her 8th grade year. The actual teaching should take up to half an hour, depending on whether you would like your student to independently read science and history or you prefer to read that aloud. Rank in 1 month. This is why in working with the moveable alphabet you have to cover your mouth to not correct any spelling mistakes. For high school, the instructions are written directly to the student, assuming that they are completing their work independently. Your previous content has been restored. This is a literary rich curriculum! I have not looked at Moving Beyond the Page so I will go look at that next. Sonlight offers All-Subjects Packages for Kindergarten Twelfth Grade and also offer customization. Timberdoodle Co (@timberdoodleco) Instagram photos and videos timberdoodleco 434 posts 6,180 followers 239 following Timberdoodle Co Crazy Smart Homeschooling since 1985! They make a fantastic addition to the shelf. My 8th grade curriculum review was also a mixed bag, but I love Timberdoodles variety and the way they showcase so many fun ways for kids to learn! You put together your BookShark curriculum by selecting either a complete, preselected package covering all subjects for one level or your own selection of one or more subject packages from one or more levels. Read-Alouds Reading aloud to your children builds their vocabulary, listening skills and imagination. I've been doing the new Jane Goodall unit study as an ease into the school year for my 7th grader. :glare: All that to say, Bookshark DOES look appealing and I HAVE visited their site For the same reason I wouldn't use boxed SLit's too much/not enough. For levels A through E, a DVD has demonstrations of the science experiments. I think I am probably going to end up picking and choosing from various companies for different subjects as well. The only thing that keeps me from going all in is that their core areas use programs I don't feel like using (Math U See, Spelling You See, Mosdos lit, etc.) There is a huge emphasis on books and they are great books. What I do now is basically pick and choose and combine Sonlight, Masterbooks, and Timberdoodle, haha. You can post now and register later. Even with the elite kits with religious content, some families might want to add a Bible curriculum. We ususally double up on the Science and History each day. Sonlight emphasizes a broader exposure to different cultures, times and concepts through reading. But for under $720, this is a great deal and I know Peanut would do well with it. 1. It's also secular like Bookshark. So -- yeah, it's not new, but it puts an option back on the table that was completely wiped off before. While I did have a lot of fun with this feature, and I know this will help a majority of homeschooling parents out there AND I even think the online scheduler alone is worth looking at purchasing a kit I didnt actually end up using it. I cannot follow someone else's schedule - to feel I should be doing x, y or z would not go down well because of the way I work and my own schedule and that my children are so young and some days we just need to take the day off or do less or even do way more than usual and if someone was telling me what to do every day I would feel stressed out by that. I also don't trust the notes at all, based on John's comments in this forum (like the fact that he'd never heard of Stockholm Syndrome and he was writing a history curriculum?!?). They tend to offer very unique and hands-on materials. In the kits with religious content, a few resources are written from a general Christian perspective, and some are specifically Protestant. Welcome to the largest home education subreddit! The complete kits add more, including resources for science and history, and the elite kits have all that you need plus extras such as additional hands-on resources, art courses, or the audio version of one ofThe Story of the World books. "BookShark made it easy for me to buy everything from one website. Win, win, win plus some. All of the planning and preparation is done so you can enjoy learning together. And an option I probably would have gone with for simplicity sake. It has 30 units, so this means I can spread them out over 150 days without any effort! BookShark Owned by the parent company, Sonlight, BookShark is a complete curriculum. Subject areas packages include the instructor's guide along with an assortment of resources that sometimes includes a traditional-style textbook. (Language Arts/Reading, Math and Thinking Skills are our big three.) When I think of hands on learning though, I think of Konos. Luckily you can customize your kits with Timberdoodle so you can ask to skip this product. We use Moving Beyond The Page. I would have to tweak it a bit to turn it into our 4 day week, but it would be very easy to do! BookShark or SL would be triple that. Find Out More "BookShark made it easy for me to buy everything from one website. Here you will find practical articles, an online community, courses for you and your children, user-friendly textbooks, and much more. Its also available for Grade 1 too! Unit based, and excellent book choices from Mike Mulligan and his Steam Shovel to How to Make an Apple Pie and See the World, it would make a fun year of great books, It covers Social Studies, Math, Literature, Art, Science, Human Relationships. I'm picky with books. I did Timberdoodle with my oldest for two yearsand I did find it to be workbook heavy and he didnt love much of it. I really don't get that. Nothing. Pasted as rich text. Taking a closer look at their book lists shows us that there are other differences. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Your link has been automatically embedded. Just NO!!! I like the fact that I can add my own Biblical materials to my homeschool rather than be forced to use someone else's slant. No literature is included, so wed have to either rely on the library or purchase books to read. It's just :confused1: I have pondered that name quite a bit, actually. Mixed by Me Thinking Putty It comes with any kit purchased; the curriculum comes preloaded, but you can also input your own. Considered a top-rated homeschool curriculum, college prep, with accredited options. Very picky. * When you open a box of BookShark the first thing(s) you see are books. Ok so what do I like? Get a print or digital copy of our catalog with our literature-based, 4-day, homeschool curriculum options, including All-Subject packages, Reading with History, Science, Language Arts, and Math. Likewise, the MiniLuk materials are very engaging, self-correcting and fun. For almost 30 years, we have been offering challenging academic programs that . High-quality, age-appropriate literature that was beautiful and pleasant to read Academically thorough Easy to implement as a parent Culturally sensitive and inclusive Bonus points for use of nature, great art and music, and hands-on activities Secular, or easily modified to fit our secular home Double bonus points if I'm able to include my toddler Timberdoodle will help you put together a custom kit for any level if you prefer different resources. Most items in each kit are self-contained and don't need any further instructions in the handbook, but additional instruction is included when the product isn't self-explanatory. I assume Bookshark will be the same. Yes, he has some moments in the day where he loves to just cuddle up, listen to me read, but to be honest, I dont see this program working for us till hes older. Math u see is hands on. I have a friend who uses it and loves it. Five in a Row: Although this is a religious curriculum, it is very easy to remove the bible and religious content. I taught it with every single discussion question exactly as they wrote it. Because Sonlight is EXPENSIVE. So why choose this curriculum? Sonlight's history is presented within packages titled "History with Bible and Literature" while BookShark's history packages include only history and literature. While I skew Classical, I just don't see the need for all kids to do all things. Jump Start Curriculum Choices Family Partnership Charter School has put together a list of curriculum choices that can help new to homeschooling families Jump Start their homeschooling journey. The source of the data behind the claim suffers from significant selection bias and should not have been . I would rather make sure they got the technique down and let them practice it and not worry that there was a miscalculation. Do I recommend a kit? My kids, from now on, will continue to have increasingly different educational paths from one another AND from "the norm."

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