Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. I feel sad about that. Don't focus on the superficial parts of the relationship too much. Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. Beautiful article!! The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. . Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Such a great article! Learn how your comment data is processed. Do you think that is true? I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. But thank you for helping me face reality. Mine is conjunct with his moon. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! venus all in the 12th house. Is Your experience the same? Whitelotus. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. Dont worry, Evelyne. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. hi dawn:) We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. I do all these within a synastry consulation. Thank you in advance. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. how this would manifest? Gilly. Chiron In 1st House, Chiron In First House Meaning; Sun In 1st House, Sun In First . However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. They often feel out of place and misunderstood. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. I feel so helpless! Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? RUN ? He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). You dont want houses 6/8/12 in a composite for a reason= yes its really not good but the other reason this isn't good is because you have The Sun, Moon and Venus squaring neptune (AND neptune in the 12th house) so there is a VERY high level of delusion like "THIS IS MY SOULMATE" when in fact its your worst enemy who will betray/cheat/manipulate In composite we have north node in 12th. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. They rip the rug from under you every other day. ? The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Regine. What do you think? He literally proposed to me the night we met. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. etc. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Was our purpose to heal each other? I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. The individuals involved may feel stronger as a couple than they do on their own. Illusions yes I know. The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. Composites are entirely hypothetical, but can provide key understanding to some relationship dynamics. We communicated telepathically and still do. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. hello, nice article Dawn. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Pisces is the mutable water sign overseeing the 12th house. Am i trapping my self? In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. The aspects of the composite Moon will show how effectively they deal with the energies. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. . Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. Composite Sun in the 2nd House. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. Your article is amazing! I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? hi dawn Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Who cares? His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. Here are some basic info for the signs in the 12th house: Composite 12th in Aries= Karmic issues with anger. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. Hi Dawn. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) Another spin given to the 12th house . Thank you for your answer. I am sufficiently haunted. I also have problems with communication in general, I tend to . It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. Transit Moon in the Composite 6th House. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. Chiron In 12th House Composite, Composite Chiron In Twelfth House Issues from the past can resurface in the partnership when Composite Chiron is in the 12th House. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? This might lead to a sense of belonging and having a lot of things in common. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) This area of the chart talks about going on a journey to uncover your own secrets, subconscious, and psyche. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. along with Juno. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Composite Jupiter in the 12th House With Composite Jupiter in the 12th house, you can find that subconscious issues and motivations, baggage and karma seem to be easier in this pairing, and they don't cause as many issues as they normally do. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. Is this why I am feeling this more? IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. . Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. What is the best approach? People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. We are very romantic together and trust each other. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. It also works the other way. We find with the Clinton composite chart (see chart at the top of the next page) that the planet Chiron conjunct Venus in the 3rd house, which semi-sextiles . thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. I have met my match. What is important to each person in the relationship as far as values, is highlighted with a second sun house in addition to how the couple supports themselves financially, accumulates possessions, and enjoys earthly pleasures. Everywords pounding in me. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. My english is not very good. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. Please your opinion. This is not only with regards to emotions but also physically. venus+mars, etc. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. Two sides of the same coin. Hi!! Our physical connection was addicting. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. We have had such a difficult relationship. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. They are tenacious and will not give up until they achieve their goals. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. Separation from the Source may lead to existential pain. Lots of greetings from Serbia. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. let go or fight for it? Im a Pisces sun 7house. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? Planets in the 12th are considered to be undevelopd or lacking something in terms of karma. or sth. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Everything you said is so on point. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. The 12th house native likely suffered in their childhood due to being overly sensitive and empathetic. Thank you very much. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. Im so confused by this mix! This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. At all. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Im glad youre enjoying it. Thank You so much for Your answer! P.S. You explain the ineffable. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. The strong feeling of dissatisfaction also leads to feelings of emptiness-in actions and also in spirit. These are just a few of the synastry aspects. (like your name too. Jul 28, 2011. That may mean leaving you behind. should i run away from this relationship? The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. But I do have one question? There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. Aghh! We feel that very beautiful in our life! In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). You may feel stressed out about something together or in the relationship, and need to work on this. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. In the end it was his choice to end it. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. I need help! Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. As someone with Chiron placed in 12th House, spirituality shapes your identity through isolation and imagination. You can have opportunities to let go and move on from the past, and you can explore your inner worlds . The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. We were happy plutonicay together. Its pretty rare. Hi Evelyne. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around.
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