Archived post. Just the other day I had a consultation with a guy who told me about how he is on 150 mg of Testosterone per week for his TRT, and his doctor put him on 1 mg of Arimidex every day for his Aromatase Inhibitor. At the 200mg dose of testosterone, you most likely will not need any AI. Based on the current blood work that I'm on for 150mg of TRT, if the results were doubled for 300mg, do you think my blood results could indicate a need for an AI? If I wanted to keep my Heres an example of what Im talking about: Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. In the case of this cycle, there are 2 heavily aromatizing compounds in there for the first 4 weeks (Test E and Dbol). Ive done all my research, but I want to get rid of my last bit of uncertainty before actually starting. Stupid question if you have to ask it. You can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a 'n00b' cycle, and most people will gain maybe a pound of real LBM a week on that. A heavier cycle might be e.g. 500mg test 300mg tren, which is equivalent to 2g test/week. So as expected, his libido nose dived, his dick ceased to work properly (no erections), he had insanely dry and achy joints, among a myriad of other horrible side effects. Week 14-16: Nolvadex 40 mg per day. Plus the LGD might tank my SHGB causing higher E2. My fitness score in TrainingPeaks doubled in the past two weeks and I've been pumping out mileage I haven't dreamed of since last season. Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. If your Estrogen is too high, then you need to slightly increase your AI dose, or switch to a stronger one and start the titration process over again. If you dont need it, it will crash your e2 and youll feel like crap. If this is your first visit, please REGISTER. Also taking 2 mgs of adex a week is also way too much to start with. The goal you should have is to keep your Estrogen between 20-30 pg/ml for the entirety of your cycle, regardless of what dosage of AI is necessary to achieve that. The usage requirements of Aromatase Inhibitors while on SARMs will greatly differ from that of traditional aromatizing Steroids as well, which needs to be taken into consideration if that's what you are using. Cookie Notice #5. Arimidex is only approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Consider this as an advanced cycle (not for first time users). Curious on thoughts. Week 1-12: Test E 750 mg. Week 1-12: Equipoise 700 mg. Week 1-4: Dbol 40 mg per day. IMO its not worth itstay healthy and be glad your Dr. is allowing .8ml farrago November 13, 2013, 6:40pm 12 As others have said, .8 ml of 200mg test is the upper end of SAFE trt. Cycle #4 40-60mg/day Anavar, 300mg/wk Primo, 300 mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a If you start to get too far below this level, you can start to experience symptoms of low Estrogen. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Total Testosterone MS (ng/dL) 250 -> 786 (ref range 264-916), Free Testosterone MS (%) 1.1 -> 2.4 (ref range 1.5-3.2), Free Testosterone MS (pg/mL) 28 -> 189 (ref range 52-280), Estradiol MS post-TRT 17 pg/mL (ref range 8.0-35.0) (not tested in preliminary bloodwork). By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Along with the testosterone I am taking 500iu HCG 2x week. I used to be obese and I lost weight about 3 years ago and that's when my problems started. Best. Week 1-12: Arimidex 0.5 mg per day. Alot of docs dont understand Testosterone. Depending on where you live, getting prescribed TRT for insufficient natural Testosterone production is a challenge in itself (many doctors will tell a 21 year old they are fine and healthy even if their blood work indicates their Testosterone is equivalent to the normal of an 80 year old geezer). I can certainly bump up the test if I need to but have read that keeping test at 200mg/wk. At the start of your cycle, these drugs are just entering your blood and havent even reached saturation levels, yet, a predetermined dose of Arimidex is being used to combat aromatization that may not even need addressing at the time, and that same predetermined dose is used later in the cycle where the amount of aromatization will be vastly different. WebIf you inject 200mg of test a week your natural production will be near 0. I think its Some labs use a standard assay test, which is tailored for women almost exclusively, so you would be wise to request the sensitive assay version. It's how I used to feel last year and years prior. You could even get away with only 250iu's of HCG which would at least help with some e2. Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. Normally 100 mgs per week is the starting dose. Hello everyone. Week 1-12 500mg/week Testosterone Cypionate (Mon/Thur at 250mg), 0.5mg/day Arimidex. So, the key to staying in the sweet spot is getting your blood work done, and adjusting your AI dose accordingly based upon your current Aromatase Inhibitor needs. NoNoNoNot 8 yr. ago. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. 193.227.116.28 If your Estrogen is too low, then you need to slightly lower your AI dose, or switch to a weaker one and start the titration process over again. Privacy Policy. Main thing is how I feel on the bike. Total test was around 700. Don't know what else to say. - Everyone is different and more is not always better. would be offset by the bad. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. WebFor eg starting with 200:200 mg per week. I've never used one before and don't have any symptoms at the moment such as itchy nipples etc. I am on my 12th week of Test-Cyp (250mg x2 per week). Either way is a lose lose. - Proper protocols should not be exceeding more than 200 mg of testosterone cypionate per week. Current dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. Week 8-12: Anavar 50 mg per day. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. 6' 1" male at ~169 pounds pre, 174 pounds current. A few concerns I recently had some blood work done after about 7 weeks of a dosage change from 150mg/week to 200mg/week of test cyp. Most people dont need that much. If you need an ai at 200, maybe that's a lil high for your body. Gotta get bloods done to be sure. Im good with 300mg/wk test e with 25mg proviron ed. Depends on YOUR physiology but you might not need AI at 200. 160mg a week puts me right at the top of range and no ai (e also high but in range). and our It is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. 200 mgs per week is too high to start out with on TRT. Then, for the next 8 weeks hes completely off of Dbol and adds in Anavar at the end for 4 weeks. Even with the Test E, after his first couple shots, will there be as much test circulating in his system as there will be once the drug has fully saturated in the blood stream 5 weeks later in the cycle? My doctor prescribed me 200mg of test and 1mg of anastrozole , split every 3.5 days. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Would lowering the ai maybe help, or even just getting off of it and using it when I get high E2 symptoms work? It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Started 200 mg Test C/week three weeks ago. Jan 16, 2015. Appreciate any response. Well actually, not really, because there are a disturbing amount of doctors entrusted to treat patients properly who are actually completely incompetent when it comes to proper treatment during HRT. Privacy Policy. Privacy Policy. Obviously the best way to confirm where your Estrogen levels lie though is via blood work. 125mg is sweet spot for most people and don't need AI with that said, you should still verify with bloodwork since everybody is different. However, it isnt uncommon for individuals to overshoot the Estrogen sweet spot, and tank their Estrogen without even knowing it. Second cycle you could bump up the test to 400 or 500 mg per week and still see nice gains. So, if there is differing amounts of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle, as well as saturation levels increasing at different rates and heavily aromatizing compounds being swapped in and out of the cycle, does it make sense to be using the exact same dose of Aromatase Inhibitor for the entirety of this cycle? Or 100 mg split 50mg twice a week. For some 120 mg per week puts some people at 1500. Archived post. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. If so how do you feel on it? E.G. First was 500 mg test cyp per week and 50 mg Anavar per week. You do bloodwork every 4 weeks and use/adjust AI use accordingly. Deca at 200mg to 300mg per week will prove highly effective For more information, please see our By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Scan this QR code to download the app now. my TRT is also 150 mg per week, and I literally only need to use 12.5 mg of Aromasin once a week to keep my Estrogen in the sweet spot. Privacy Policy. Add a Comment. If your doctor is forcing drugs like Arimidex on you, be 100% sure you understand how to interpret your blood work before you start popping pills and hurt yourself. 6' 1" male at ~169 I've been on both 125mg and 150mg dosage to experiment with. I'm injecting EoD into my delts using Sustanon (Please don't tell me to use another ester like test-e, as this is the only one I can access and have a prescription for, and this won't cause an issue with my doctor). Is it necessary to use an AI on 250mg of test per week? You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. So, basically, if he knows what the point of having Arimidex is in a cycle, you would think hed realize the point of Arimidex is to keep your Estrogen in check. Both scenarios are very unpleasant to say the least. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. For more information, please see our Cycle #2 300mg/wk Primo, 100mg/day Proviron, 300mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. As you titrate up your dose, monitor your side effects and add in the AI if needed. Libido: From a 0/10 to a 5/10. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I don't know what caused my problems to start to be honest. Cookie Notice This would be run with 500mg of test e per week. If you have any of the traditional symptoms of high estrogen or low estrogen, you should first and foremost get blood work with a sensitive assay test to see where your estrogen levels lie. Web65 comments. It seems that AI usage has become so commonplace that users dont even bother to understand the purpose of the drug in the first place prior to implementing it into their regimen. Anyway, I'd say I feel like a new person, but really, I just feel like who I used to be, and that's fine with me. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 12, 2020 #11 I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple I did experiment with SARMs about 6 months ago, after I got bloodwork done just before I did that and my natural levels were basically more or less identical to what you see above. I administer every 3.5 days along with HCG @ 500iu each time. If you've read any of my posts about hormones, you probably already know by now how little faith I have in most general doctors when it comes to properly addressing underlying hormonal deficiencies and imbalances. I'm really grateful TRT is an option for me. WebMy doctor prescribed me 200mg of test and 1mg of anastrozole , split every 3.5 days. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Also, how long until I can expect to see some gains on this type of cycle. Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. For more information, please see our Firstly it's a little concerning that an MD would prescribe stuff with obviously no real knowledge of endocrinology, buuuuut I'll take rx test from whoever lol. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. No AI was needed what so ever. So, if theres not as much test circulating in his system as it hasnt fully built up yet, there wont be as much Estrogen in his system. You could I do feel really strange to have needed treatment like this at such a young age, but my body's had a hard life I suppose with my history. Spicy/painful nipples and severe water retention first week or two, which quickly went away (I do have leftover gyno from puberty - I was obese during puberty and most of my life). After dedicating over 8 years to extreme self-improvement, I have created "More Plates More Dates" as a one stop shop for helping you to get yourself on the right path to the "best you" possible too. [deleted] 2 yr. ago You may, or you may not. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. If you are getting more than 200 mg per week, that is getting into gray area IMO. I don't feel like death all the time. WebNew Bloodwork on 200mg/week. This coming Saturday will be 3 weeks. If these symptoms go away and your sex drive is perfect, you have no erectile dysfunction issues, etc. "Mental energy" is what I would call it. I can run 200mg per week with no AI but if I add HCG then my e2 skyrockets which will cause libido issues. Id put those low dose cycles against almost anything for a guy looking to get shredded and while running approx. 200 mg per week for me puts me in the 800s. Ur better off doing it more often to keep a steady blood plasma level. WebMany men can take 200mg or more per week without need for an AI. Your not a pro level figure competitor so most probably need to train normally. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Question whether SARMS will help me or not. (bloodwork provided for 150mg). How can you expect to keep your Estrogen levels in the sweet spot with a predetermined dosage of your Aromatase Inhibitor? I feel just right. 250mg test e per week is a high cruise or mini blast but you shouldnt need an ai unless you aromatase tons. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. I figured my E2 was climbing so I took .25 anastrozole which did nothing for ED or libido. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Then, after actually getting on TRT, another challenge often rears its ugly head, and that is Estrogen control, and how to go about doing it safely and most effectively. My question is, will I need to use an AI such as arimidex or aromasin to keep e2 levels in check if im only using 200mg per week? If you start to get too far above this level, you can start to experience symptoms of high Estrogen. Reply [deleted] Additional comment actions Id want it separate as well. This is the point Im trying to drive home with this article. Symptoms: Worsening libido and exercise recovery over the past three years, eventually to the point where it interfered with my life too much (couldn't recover from cycling which is the main thing I do). The dose seems to be a total waste unless you are at a size when steroids arent needed Cloudflare Ray ID: 7c0d6cf02a14bf6a /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. For more information, please see our Is it safe to wait until sides develop before adding it? Nowadays, AIs are treated almost as on-cycle essentials, and are simply a necessity just like your multivitamin you pop each day is. Scan this QR code to download the app now. and our Thanks!! I am attracted to women again, and it feels strange, because it's been a while, but it's not distracting. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Testosterone Enanthate and Deca is a common combination with a cycle length of 12 to 14 weeks. Agreed^^^When I just TRT of 200mg of test c a week, I need an AI. I'm 6'7 (200cm) around 245lbs (11kg) so I find that I typically have to run higher dosages of everything, but your situation may be different. But the strange thing is that as I continued to feel better and my diet and weight's gotten easier and easier to maintain (I'm really not that hungry on average anymore and had decent energy levels until about 8 months ago), I kept feeling worse and worse and my exercise recovery in particular got worse and worse. That was WITH me taking HCG. I'd appreciate some feedback, especially from those of you with experience running NPP. My natural test levels are about 700 ng/dl, for anyone thats wondering. ~15% body fat if I had to guess. My luteinizing hormone in my pre-TRT bloodwork was 5.2 mIU/mL (ref range 1.7-8.6), seems to have been an issue with the testes. if your TRT is 125 mg per week for example, and your doctor is giving you 0.5 mg of Arimidex twice per week, and after several weeks utilizing that protocol you get a blood test and your Estrogen levels show that you have a 5.5 pg/ml reading, you are using too much Arimidex, and probably shouldn't even be using Arimidex in the first place as such a little amount of it is crashing your Estrogen and it is too powerful of an AI for your particular needs. Performance & security by Cloudflare. If I kept my AI dosage constant like that during a cycle (by cycle I mean a blast phase of a supraphysiological amount of highly aromatizing hormones), my experience would more than likely start out with me feeling symptoms of low estrogen, followed by symptoms of high estrogen later in the cycle once my level of aromatization had surpassed the inhibitory capacity of that particular dosage of AI. And i was on a similar dose. WebNot really, youll be in a range that you likely need an AI but without high enough test levels to offset the AIso youll either get some solid gyno and sides from high estrogen or youll crater your estrogen and have low estrogen sides. In 2016, for example, researchers at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center reported that an AI-powered diagnostic program correctly identified cancer in pathology WebCurrent dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. However, if you understand how these drugs work in the first place, you will understand there is a compounding effect with everything, and they take several weeks to fully saturate in your system. Electing for a weaker AI in that scenario would be wise, and starting with a very conservative amount of it. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. I don't have an AI prescribed by my doctor, so I may need to get one online. Weeks 1-6 40mg/day Dbol (split throughout day) Weeks 7-12 100mg/eod Trenbolone. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Run that for 12 weeks and then PCT. I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go from there. Now, to the average steroid user, that probably doesnt look like a bad cycle outline and they may even be asking themselves what exactly is wrong with this. Going to 1.0 ml COULD lead to thick blood and other bad side effects. Start with a reasonable AI dose, maybe half a mg eod and after a few weeks, maybe a month, get blood work and really understand what's happening inside your body brotha, By ftfaaa in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By ben01 in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By karimsins in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By Actionman in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, Need help knowing whether i should take arimidex with 200mg of test cypionate, Evolutionary.org Steroids Research Forums. Generally, the jobs AI algorithms can do are tasks that require human intelligence to complete, such as pattern and speech recognition, image analysis, and WebYou can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. I run 200mg a week, I am 28 and I cruise and blast too. Typically, most men feel their best when their estrogen levels lie between 20-30 pg/ml in their blood work. Cyp and Enanth. The body recognises it has a surplus and tells the testes that they don't need to produce any more! Look closer, from week 1-12 the guy has proposed that he will be using 0.5 mg per day of Arimidex. flow1979 2 yr. ago. Most normal otherwise healthy men who have low serum levels due to age related decline and exhibit symptoms don't need 200 mg a week. Urge to engage in my hobbies. Low energy. I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 5, 2021 Check bloods on cruise pretty regularly Nac Well-known member Awards 3 Oct 5, 2021 #11 BBiceps said: In 1 or 2 shots? /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. Fucking sucks. WebIm on: 175mg a week of sustanon (25mg ED subq) 250iu HCG M/W/F. probably aromatase due to inactivity, diet, excessive And MAYBE winstrol. I had no symptoms of high Estrogen at all. The dosage is split up 2x week. no ai needed (I only use 12.5mg asin once a week on 500mg test). My question, do any of you guys run 200mg/week without an AI? It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. I agree with CP3 and the gentleman above here, 1 mg a day with 200 mgs Test would presumably crash your E levels. I recently got my family doc to bump my test-c dose to 200mg/ week from 150mg/week. After seeing where your Estrogen levels lie, you can decide what dose of AI, and which AI is appropriate to combat those symptoms. Zero health issues whatsoever, knock on wood. Past two weeks: Massive increase in strength, endurance, and recovery. I haven't felt this good in a long time. After the anastrozole, symptoms have calmed down and I hold way less water on my frame too. 32 years old. Recent bloodwork collected 09-Sep-2020. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. Total testosterone - 60 nmol/L (1730 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 202 pmol/L (55 pg/mL)(This one didn't come with SHBG sadly), Total testosterone - 45 nmol/L (1300 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 212 pmol/L (57 pg/mL)SHBG - 18 nmol/L. I made a post not too long ago about taking an AI only instead of directly pinning myself, where I learned that will cause more harm than good. Anyway I've learned a lot from reading here on Reddit and figured I'd share this as a way of saying thanks and maybe helping someone else. You need to determine how you react and aromatize so you can dial in your aromatase inhibitor needs. Reply the-lone-squid Additional comment actions I didn't really use an A.I except for the first 2 weeks. When used for this purpose, Arimidex is typically introduced in week two of the cycle and taken for the entire length of the cycle at 0.5mg twice a week. Scan this QR code to download the app now. I dont want gyno. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Who uses no AI on 250mg of test per week? Scan this QR code to download the app now. This is far less likely to happen with the weaker AIs like Arimistane and Aromasin, but it is very common with Arimidex and Letrozole. This guy was literally on the second strongest Aromatase Inhibitor there is, for a dosage of Testosterone that just keeps his Test levels at high-normal. ib00sti 2 yr. ago. For the most part, its been great. Here are my starting and current numbers Reference: Total T(348-1197) Free T(4.7-24.4) New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. WebPrimo can be run in lower dosages (200mg - 500mg) but really has a fantastic effect when bumped up past 600+ mg a week. Disclaimer: The information included in this article is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. I was prescribed 1 MG Anastrozole E3D, which I thought was excessive, especially since my pre-TRT bloods had my Estradiol at <6.0. It's much healthier. I was told the body recognises steroids as if they're testosterone, so the body 'thinks' it has enough testosterone, so stops production. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Not looking looking significant muscle gain, more interested in strength, slight increase in aggression, increase competitiveness, faster recovery, and overall athletic performance. Assuming your T levels have the normal range like Lab Corp uses, then your total T and free T are too high. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. (PCT) Week 15-17 100mg/day Clomid for the first 10 days, then 50mg/day for 10 more days. WebDepends. Your IP: Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. you can conclude that your dosage of AI is satisfactory for the time being. Most men do well on It isnt rocket science, however, many users seem to have completely neglected to comprehend why they are using an AI in the first place, and what purpose it serves. This is what made the Mast effect on my lipid panel so pronounced. So, it should be pretty obvious by now that there is a vastly different amount of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle. 100mgs every 2 weeks will not. This is EXACTLY why when you are utilizing a drug that aromatizes into Estrogen and an AI may become necessary, you get baseline blood work, and then when you add an AI in, you use a very conservative dose of the most mild and forgiving AI there is (depending on what/how much aromatizing hormones you're using), and titrate up accordingly based on your blood work until you've reached the Estrogen sweet spot (or based on symptoms which is the bro method which is not recommended). 200mg is kinda high. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. Which Aromatase Inhibitor you should choose and the dosage you use should be based on your own individual propensity to aromatization, what your blood work indicates, the dosage of the aromatizing drugs you are using, etc. Usually 2, or even more sometimes, but right after a blast I might drop to 1 cos I'm over pinning. Is it necessary? On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. I've experimented with different diets, but none of it's really objectively made much of a difference, other than the keto diet which destroyed my recovery because I did it properly and maintained therapeutic ketosis, which meant restricting protein. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Can we use pregnant test bar to test whether the bought hcg is fake or not? Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Cookie Notice 200mg I really dont need any anti-e's unless Im reversing some sensitive nipples from a big cycle before. Dont be messing with bloods while your doctor gets you dialed in. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple of points over the recommended limit), so it looks like I need a AI.
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