They cite the 12 seasons (six mediocre, six increasingly brilliant) by Sandy Koufax and the injury-shortened career of Dizzy Dean (nine full seasons and only one Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact. The only thing Roger Maris had going for him was a major record. Maris two MVP seasons were part of a six-year stretch (1959-64) in which he produced 198 home runs, 549 RBIs and an .890 OPS (142 OPS+) over 807 games. I have wavered on this myself. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Dan Holmes is the author of three books about baseball, including Ty Cobb: A Biography. He would finish his career with a total of 11 home runs. And that lots of people hated him for the rest of his career for having the nerve to break Babe Ruths record. But, Maris is way, way more famous than any baseball player not in the HOF. In 1961, Maris did not homer in his first ten games, but by the end of May he had hit 12. So you think Maris's 61 HR season is a fraud? But his size doesn't guarantee anything. Citing proof and linking to articles I am all for. Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. It looks like you're new here. How sweet. other than that, his whole career was pretty good not great. There are players in the HOF that didnt have anywhere near the impact on Baseball & the fan excitement that Roger did, I know b/c I was alive. Maris hit 58 homers in the first 154 games (the length of the schedule when Babe Ruth set the single-season record), and finished with 61. No, for decades the RBI stat (and homers) were extremely important to MVP voters. If that were possible, then how come nobody attempts to make the case for Munson getting in? But he actually only had five seasons where he qualified for the batting title. Potentially one of the biggest days in baseball history. A Yankees home jersey worn by Maris during the 1961 regular season is now a part of the On the one hand, youll be remembered. Does Roberto Alomar Deserve To Be Inducted Into The Hall of Fame? "But it was another Yankee that did it. But what makes you think Chet Lemon would know who belongs in the Hall of Fame? As they say in the legal system: I'd rather see a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison. Nobody is going to mistake George Kell or Bill Mazeroski for Cal Ripken or Reggie Jackson. Kell and Maz both got in ~ it doesnt tarnish Cal or Reggie in the least. Currently working on 1970 Topps Hockey PSA 9 set. the latest updates from spring training. It's likely that nobody in baseball history hasn't cheated on this record. Maris was a family man who played it straight on and off the field and treated the game with respect. Yes I know Namath is already in. Even the stars benefited from expansion, which was rational reaction to the growth of the talent pool. He doesnt really have a long peak either. PS: Regarding the Right Field Porch in Yankee Stadium , Roger Maris hit 31 of his 61 home runs on the road in 1961. Just 2-3 great seasons and a few more really good seasons isnt enough. David Ortiz could be voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame on Tuesday, but there will be trends worth noting even if he, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and others fall short. Maris was a two-time MVP saddled with the reputation of a slugger, and those 61 home runs hung around his neck like a bowling ball. Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Mioso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee (1950-69), while Bud Fowler and Buck ONeil were chosen by the Early Baseball Era Committee (pre-1950), as announced on MLB Network. Who needs time?. It takes decades often for the narratives to soften for the MLB HOF voting members to offer their "peace pipe" & get excellence recognized. Was it just his big lead in RBI to the extent of everything else? Its the Hall of Significant Achievement. I realize Barry Bonds isn't the most humble guy. Rogers swing was crafted by Zeus for the right field dimensions of Yankee Stadium, and in his first season in The Bronx, Maris hit 39 home runs and led the league in runs batted in. I think what his critics are saying is that his body of work isnt sufficient to be a Hall of Famer. On August 26th in his 128th game Maris hit Number 51. With the Yankees, Reynolds went 131-60 with a 3.30 ERA in 295 regular-season games (209 starts), going 7-2 with a 2.79 ERA in 15 postseason games (nine starts). Jack Curry has covered baseball for the The New York Times for 18 seasons. In 1999 the United States Postal Service issued a commemorative stamp honoring Roger Maris. @53BKid said: Meanwhile, in 1927, Babe Ruth hit his 48th and 49th homers in his 134th game. "Maz" was inducted mainly due to his eight Gold Gloves and World Series clinching home run in Game 7 of 1960 World Series. Maris has 1.325 hits in his 12-year career, which by the way, would be one of the shorter careers for a position player in the Hall of Fame. Others were glad I mentioned that Maris led the 1960s with World Series appearances seven, including four championships and that he was the most valuable player in 1960 and 1961. I thnk Roger should b in the Hall. I respectfully disagree. This is manifestly not true. His baserunning in some seasons was extraordinary. Maris is a case that makes one think about what a Hall of Fame ought to be doing. Here's the windup. It's hard to watch average NFL players and even convicts get into the NFL HOF while MLB struggles to acknowledge generational stars ~ in many cases careers like Dave Parker, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy made the All Star team in almost every season in which they played. Maris is an extraordinary example of stardom. if anything his back to back mvps is a Nobody, it seemed, wanted him to break Babe Ruth's record. In a 162 game season, Roger Maris hit 61 home runs in 1961. In 1961, the defending American League Most Valuable Player won a second straight MVP. He earned a football scholarship to Oklahoma, but didnt like campus life and left in his freshman year to sign a contract with the Cleveland Indians. Unfortunately both Roger and Mickey had retired before I was born. Aaron , Robinson , Clemente and Colavito were all great players but Maris was probably better as an overall defensive player, even than Clemente.Roger Maris, who won two Most Valuable Player Awards, primarily for his offense, was better at fielding, in my opinion than hitting. Because (1) early in his career he struggled to earn playing time against left-handed pitching, and (2) he was injured frequently. He was now eight games ahead of the Ruth pace and the anticipation of what could happen was growing every day. Not, who among Kaat, Parker, and Garvey should be in, but rather if we're considering players from that era why aren't we looking at Grich, Nettles, Bell, Randolph, Dwight Evans, or Reuschel? During his career Roger Maris never received the credit he deserved. A native of Philadelphia and a graduate of Vanderbilt University, Kepner has also covered Since 1998, he has served as the newspaper's national baseball writer. Accomplishments after that date, the Frick ruling read, would be designated by an asterisk. So, according to you only people who are alive at the time can comment on history? Only 21,032 attended the game. Two players who were incredibly famous for a few short years. Seeing this video just kinds of turns me off to sports in general. You could probably do the same with 90%+ of those in the hall. Over 1,463 games, Maris logged 195 doubles, 42 triples, 275 home runs and 850 RBIs. Roger Maris in the same way that the actor James Dean went fast around here. Frank Howard is a left fielder, but I will admit he did play a few years in right. Lifetime Yankee fan. Baseball seemed offended that someone dared to beat Ruths unparalleled feat. He was an All-Star in baseball with the Kansas City Royals in 1989 and a Pro Bowl pick with the Raiders in 1990. But I hate it when people make accusations against someones legacy. Magic The Gathering cards mostly since sports cards dumped in the 90s. However, he had many skills that were hidden. He appeared in seven World Series, winning three of them. 2021-08-12. I changed the contrast on this image. Acquired by the Yankees in October 1946, Reynolds flourished in New York, as he was a five-time All-Star and a six-time World Series champion over his eight seasons with the Yanks. Was he cheating? Nearly all my baseball knowledge comes from reading Beckett and trading sports cards when I was in junior high and high school. However, he met the 10 year minimum and those 6 great years propelled him over the top. Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment, David. His best showings came in the 1949 and '50 Fall Classics. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&ei=QbjpYqjFE-3YkPIPl6aHsAE&ved=0ahUKEwjo6Yq-rKn5AhVtLEQIHRfTARYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BQgAEJECOgUILhCRAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6CAguELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhAILhCxAxCDARDHARDRAxBDOgQILhBDOgQIABBDOg0ILhCxAxCDARDUAhBDOggIABCxAxCDAToKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CgguELEDEIMBEAo6CAguENQCEJECOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToFCC4QgAQ6CAguEIAEENQCOgUIABCGAzoGCAAQHhAWOggIABAeEBYQCjoGCAAQHhANOgQIABAeOgUIIRCgAToFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABKBQhAEgExSgQIRhgAUIUEWNxmYN5oaARwAXgAgAHPAogBziqSAQgwLjMxLjIuMZgBAKABAcgBCLgBA8ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz, Yes, folks I do realize, this is likley tantamount to "playing chess with pigeons" :sigh. Sorry. . The HR record non- withstanding, Maris was a 7-time all-star and 2-time MVP. 61 in '61 was the number McGwire and Bonds were chasing. I think to speculate on anyone cheating is unfair. Two players who were incredibly famous for a few short years. I wouldn't mind players getting into the HOF for extraordinary accomplishments.. Maris, Mattingly, Munson, Garvey, Dave Parker, Dale Murphy (another back to back MVP winner like Maris was), Keith Hernandez ~ all of them MVP's ~ all of them huge stars in their time. 500 homer's and 3k hits arent the only qualifications certainly. Similarly, at least in my opinion, Hank Aaron remains baseballs all time Home Run leader to this day, regardless of Bud Selig, who was complicit in the era of rampant steroid abuse. [deleted] 9 yr. ago Or that Jose Molina or David Wells knows enough about baseball history to know who should get a plaque? McMichael and Dan Hampton (a 2002 Hall of Fame inductee) formed one of the greatest defensive duos in NFL history, a unit that totaled 41.5 sacks from 1984-88. I think Mays and Aaron and others may also have hit 40 or more. He really had little baseball left in him when he played his final games for the Cardinals in 1968. His teammates finally let him into the dugout. The arguments against Maris include his struggles with durability and longevity, with his 1,463 games played being on the very low end for a candidate. Mickey was instrumental in convincing Roger to come back to Yankee Stadium to be honored by the club in the early 80's. He did more in a few years than Baines, Simmons, and all other recent entries in the hall of good combined. Mickey Morgan| More critics claim that he only played at the Hall of Fame level for 2 or 3 seasons, with the remainder of his career being average. The Indians had a glut of outfielders in their organization and inexplicably ignored the 69 homers Maris hit in three seasons in their system. In the video the right fielder looks like he's wearing the number 9. With a resume such as his, and the attention brought to Maris by Aaron Judge, has left many fans asking: why is Maris not in the Hall of Fame? 8 Articles, By He had great impact in his era. Ken Burns baseball docuseries says that Maris started getting death threats and hate mail and stuff when he got close to the record. I do not agree with every decision the Veterans Committee makes but I am appreciative there is a mechanism to get guys in after the Voters have spoken for 10 years time. Dwight Evans.. Should Be In The Hall Of Fame. That record stood for 37 years. He then returned in Game 4 to pitch 3 1/3 perfect innings of relief to record the save before New York went on to win the Series in Game 5. In his final 2 years, he aided the cardimals to 2 pennants and 1 world series. Maris hit behind Bobby Richardson and Tony Kubek, and he had Mickey Mantle hitting behind him. In the fourth inning, Maris came to bat again. He was an MVP the year before he broke the HR record (and the year he broke it too). Roger Maris trotted out the historic home run. Barry Bonds was trained to be a baseball player since he was a child. Many players who were only slightly above average and for a short time were enshrined in those years. As Ive written elsewhere in this book, in the 1950s the Kansas City As were nothing more than a feeder team for the Yankees. The underlying current, of course, is the apparent involvement of latter-day sluggers with body-building steroids, which were not used in the day of Henry Aaron, Maris and Ruth. He batted third in their lineup. By the end of June he had hit 27 and by the end of July Maris had hit 40 home runs. Roger Maris: Many still believe his 61 home runs in 1961 is still the single-season home run record. Bobby Thomson: His 1951 Shot Heard Round The World that won the pennant for the New York Giants (over those poor Brooklyn Dodgers) remains the most famous home run in history. Your cynical speculation on what Judge is accomplishing is just conjecture. However, you could also argue that average HOF players gained an advantage from specific feats or a brief stint of dominance, where the career numbers don't quite seem to say HOF career. WebMLB Never Forgave Roger Maris for Beating Babe Ruth Why isnt he in the Hall of Fame? game in each of three others.). Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. Were gathering again for a baseball Hot Stove Luncheon (with a dash of NFL, too) on Thursday, Jan. 20 at 11:45 a.m. at Palm Valley Country Club in Palm Desert. I hate that Golden Gloves are just throw away facts when considering the HOF. They traded him to the Athletics, and in two seasons with the As, Maris stood out as a power threat from the left side. At least it still clings to 3 figures, the same seems not to apply about most who have posted here. His stats, 275 career HR, .260 batting average, and 38.2 WAR are nowhere near numbers to qualify for the Hall. Last Friday, the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum named baseball legend Roger Maris to their 10-person Golden Days Era Committee ballot. His Wins Above Replacement in 1960 was 7.5, the highest in the American League. ( COOPERSTOWN, NY) The 1961 baseball season, which found Americans riveted to the great Maris-Mantle home run race, will be celebrated upon its 60th anniversary with the donation of a Roger Maris Yankees jersey from that season. Koufax was clearly one of the best arms in his prime, but his career was so brief, especially considering he didn't hit his stride until it was nearly halfway over! The guy was the best at his position for more than half his career. Maris hit 13 homers against the Senators and Angels. You can probably assume that means a HR, especially if that was a statement he used frequently. Roger was MVP in 1960 because Yankees finished 2nd in 1959 with Bauer and Woodling in RF and Roger helped Yankees win AL pennant again. Maris made his Major League debut on April 16, 1957, with the Cleveland Indians. But agreed with your thought, it would be an interesting thing to consider Barry Bonds seeing Maris in first. South Dakota?? I think it's kinda interesting that his mic failed during the all star game. But in 61 had 20 fresh, inexperienced, lesser pitchers to face in expansion teams and across the league. Unfortunately for Maris he wasn't the people's choice to break the 34-year-old record. Boston pitchers shut out Maris in the first two games. The hit total would be the lowest of all position players who did not play in the negro leagues. Then look at Larry Bowa when he retired he had the highest fielding percentage of all shortstops that ever played in MLB and set the record two times for fewest errors by shortstop in a season he also had the most hits by a shortstop in the history of MLB and the writers didnt like him and you guessed it hes not in the HoF. His defense was quite good. I wouldn't mind players getting into the HOF for extraordinary accomplishments.. Maris, Mattingly, Munson, Garvey, Dave Parker, Dale Murphy (another back to back MVP winner like Maris was), Keith Hernandez ~ all of them MVP's ~ all of them huge stars in their time. 500 homer's and 3k hits arent the only qualifications certainly. If you're committed to voting for a Dodger and won't vote for Messersmith because pitchers have their own award, what is the argument for voting for Garvey over Wynn? Roger Maris Claim to fame: This October will mark the 50th anniversary of Roger Mariss 61st home run in the 1961 season. It broke Babe Ruths 34-year single season record and stood another 37 years until Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in 1998, and it remains the defining achievement for Maris. Take out the fact that he was a Yankee, he would not have anyone thinking he belongs in the Hall. | Please logout and login again. He was great, but was unfortunately held back by the front office, bitter sportwriters fickle fans and injuries.He would have had lots of seasons like 1960 ( not 1961). By the end of his 12-year career, Maris went on to win three World Series Championships, two MVPs, and a The HOF has really gone downhill and has become the hall of pretty good so Maris should be in. Excellent article. Collectors Corner | Who is Roger Maris and is he in the Hall of Fame. WebSep 6, 2022 - Lets talk about my dads favorite Hall of Fame case: Roger Maris. You don't think Barry Bonds could have hit 73 in 2001 without cheating when Maris hit 61 in 1961? Yankees All-Time Team >The 100 Greatest Right Fielders of All-Time >The All-Time Player Rankings >20 Greatest Yankees of All-Time >. it is entirely possible that Maris cheated on his way to 61 as it certainly was a statistical anomaly for him. Sign In. His personal hitting coach helped Judge from the beginning of his Yankee career, teaching him a set of unorthodox swing mechanics which potentiate his power. All 3 of these players are deserving! Everything is relative, he led the majors in HR eight times). His strongest showing on the BBWAA ballot was in 1968, when he received 33.6 percent of the vote. "He threw me a pitch outside and I just went with it," Maris would say later. Born in Jersey City, N.J., Curry graduated from Fordham University. Be the first one to comment on this story. Yes, clearly they got every fan in the stadium to react at the same time and be in on the scam. En route to his second MVP award, Maris hit a then-record of 61 home runs while driving 141 RBIs. Maris is to Clemente, Kaline, Aaron, and Robinson as Kirk Gibson is to Reggie Jackson. A Reynolds pitched 10 dominant innings of one-run ball in Game 2, lifting New York to a 2-1 victory. Or have my sister do it. Silva wrote: Comets are fast! While Maris may not be a household name for younger MLB fans, Aaron Judge's quest for 62 home runs has shone a little on the former New York slugger. Roger Maris and Allie Reynolds, a pair of history-making contributors to separate Yankees championship squads, landed on the outside looking in as the Eras Committee welcomed six new members to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday. It takes decades often for the narratives to soften for the MLB HOF voting members to offer their "peace pipe" & get excellence recognized. What has happened to sports cards in the past 20 years really bothers me. I wouldn't say he's more famous than Pete Rose. News Corp is a global, diversified media and information services company focused on creating and distributing authoritative and engaging content and other products and services. Should Roger Maris (left) be in the Hall of Fame with Mickey Mantle? There's no contest to the fact other than giving Babe Ruth 162 games but we cannot do that. Number 60 came at Yankee Stadium off Baltimore's Bill Fisher on September 26. 2023 www.desertsun.com. Reynolds pitched a two-hit shutout in Game 1 of the 1949 World Series against the Brooklyn Dodgers in a 1-0 Yankees win. This is the short version. He absolutely legitimately hit 61 in '61, no ifs and or buts about it!!! He's short across the board IMO except for the fame part, which he does have. The selection of players for the Hall of Fame isnt always as simple as stats home runs, hits, RBI, victories. in which I wrote that his 61 home runs looked better than ever after a half century. Maris was the MVP that year and also won the award the previous season for the Yankees. This thread took a hard left turn since my last login. A pitcher with a career batting average of .192! @coolstanley said: Or maybe the book would only have to win the big ones 10% more often than they should. He finished with 586 career steals and still has support to make it to Cooperstown. Its a blessing and a curse to have a signature accomplishment as an athlete or an artist. He followed up with a 24-9 season in 69 to win another Cy Young. You have every right to admire Maris, to be his fan, to argue for his Hall of Fame election. He was never a "scrawny kid" or "thin" like Bonds and McGuire were in their first few seasons. In the 60s-90s and most of the 2000s most people couldn't even watch this video easily. Some fans disagreed with my saying Maris does not quite reach the standards of the Baseball Hall of Fame because of his modest batting average (.260), Roger Maris was not the very personable Mickey Mantle type guy. Tony Cloninger:In 1966, the Milwaukee pitcher hit not one, but two grand slams in the same game! Pretty much the only thing that I've learned about baseball and sports cards in the past few years is that I don't want to be involved. That's 40 years of technological advances between the two. Should say North Dakota, sorry about the error.
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