2023 Rock Island Auction Company. It appears to be a nice rifle and needs a good cleaning. The .218 Bee was the first modern varmint cartridge designed expressly for a lever rifle Winchesters Model 65. WINCHESTER MODEL 43 CALIBER 218 BEE WITH WEAVER SCOPE 4 POWER. Id also like to get an idea of the value of the rifle; but Ill hold off on that question until Ive gone through it and can produce some quality photos and an evaluation of its condition. Thin-jacketed, cup-and-core bullets are the logical choice for varmint shooting with the Bee, with Hornet-label bullets generally recommended to assure rapid expansion and reliable stabilization from the 1:16 rifling twist. Assuming that it is in the 61,000 serial range, it was a late production rifle, and Yes, it was factory drilled & tapped for mounting a scope. Production of the Model 43 began on May 19th, 1948. Winchester designed the cartridge by necking down the .25-20 Winchester cartridge to accept a .224 diameter bullet. There are currently no customer product questions on this lot. Im certain I can figure it out but, before I get to disassembling it, Id really like to have a look at the owners manual. The S/N on your Model 43 tells us that it was manufactured August 11th, 1951. Sean said Anyone have an idea when in that range it was made? Its serial number is 23XX5A and is untapped with open sights. I really appreciate your help. The cartridge was originally chambered in the Winchester Model 65 lever-action rifles, which may have ultimately led to its lack of popularity. Just today, I was lucky enough to be the winning bidder on a Model 43 in .22 Hornet this afternoon. Ive conducted high-level maintenance on an immense amount of rifles, but I have no experience with this one at all. Has it been drilled & tapped (aftermarket) for a scope? It has been locked up in his gun safe for decades and appears to be in extremely nice condition. OVERALL LENGTH - 42.25. These rifles were equipped with open sporting rear or Lyman 57A micrometer receiver sights, the test rifle included a dovetailed front bead of fiber-optic, obviously not factory original. Production ammunition and rifles are still available from a few manufacturers. 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NM-266, Winchester Model 43 Rifle Firing Pin Spring, WINCHESTER MODEL 74 -RIFLE CARTRIDGE GUIDE. Guns International #: 101695745 Seller's Inventory #: 29225, When emailing or calling sellers direct, please mention that you saw their listing on GunsInternational.com, FEATURES - COMES WITH LEATHER SLING & WEAVER K10 60-B SCOPE, STORE HOURS 10AM - 6 PM MON - SAT EST. I do not see where you get the idea of a 3rd screw from. GI#: 102260137. Headspace issues will typically be manifested by deformed empty cases, or a protruding or deformed primer. It predates the timer period in which Winchester factory drilled & tapped them for scope mounts. and the scope mount is not factory (correct?). Bolt action rifle made from 1949-1957 in both standard and deluxe grade. Its seen better days and as a boy I recall a Weaver 4x scope thats now missing. I would be interested in reading this article where can I find it, I have a model 43 .22 hornet with a high serial number I am also searching for a clip. View cart for details. Winchester 43 .218 Bee (W6272) Price: $1,895.00 Item Number: W6272 Previously sold Winchester 43 .218 Bee caliber rifle. UPC. On the October 1950 and later receivers, the front face has a 90-degree corner. BORE EXCELLENT ALONG WITH FACTORY BLUE AND WOOD FINISH. Though I did stumble across the thread on a Google search, I did reference you Bert as the referring Member. Thanks for help, [emailprotected] said WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member, Hey Guys, New to the forum. If you read the article that I wrote (in the Spring 2016 Collector magazine), it explains the Model 43 production history in better detail. This rifle is in good condition and comes with one magazine and Weaver style scope bases. Yes, Bert. If I switch to Winchester 45-gr SP ammo, my group immediately opens to nearly 2-inches @100 yards. I have always wanted a .218 Bee, but wasnt sure on what to look for, so I settled for this one. WINCHESTER MODEL 70 HOOD PRE 64 30-06 308 375 SPRING STEEL WINCHESTER HOOD, Winchester 92 94 43 1873 Rear Sight & Elevator- Model 94 Lever Action- 21168B, Winchester Model 43 22 Caliber Hornet Bolt Handle, Winchester Model 43 22 Hornet Magazine Catch, Winchester Model 43 Caliber 22 Hornet Rifle Safety Lever, Winchester Model 43 Caliber 22 Hornet Extractor Set, WINCHESTER MODEL 43 SAFETY PREOWNED GOOD USABLE CONDITION, Winchester model 43, .22 Hornet Rifle, Extractor, #1743, W-714, WINCHESTER MODEL 43 - "RIGHT" EXTRACTOR. Your Model 43 was manufactured in late August, 1950. The magazines are interchangeable in either grade. Based upon reading this forum and date site, appears to have been manufactured in 1950 (what month?) The bore is bright and shiny with strong rifling, no fouling or pitting. WINCHESTER 43, .218 BEE, 4 RD: ORIGIN - USA. Thanks for responding to my question (I had to at least ask). Formerly of the Peter and Patty Murray collection. The Serial number is 45672A I do not yet have the gun in-hand but have pictures, which I cant post here. Fitted with 24" round barrel and front sight ramp forged integrally with barrel. Your Model 43 rifle was manufactured in November of 1949. between 1949-1957. NEED MORE INFORMATION PLEASE CALL OUR OFFICE, WE ARE LOCATED IN WESTERN NEW YORK STATE. Of slight concern on the earlier production rifles likes yours, is the head space. Hey Guys, New to the forum. Some pictures of the rifle would be of benefit. Does anybody know when it was manufactured and what it may be worth? Your rifle should have a swept bolt. The magazines are. If your rifle has headspace issues, it may not be something that can be readily corrected. A great read here and thought you needed a new data point and to bump this up since the last post was April of 22. Front sight is missing the hood as it looks to have been removed to get it out of the view thru the scope. Is it a standard or a Special rifle? Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Stock has been custom checkered and has a small age crack near butt plate. Model-43-Special-47841A-218-BEE.jpg (40 KB) WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member Timothy Hamilton Lititz, PA New Member WACA Member Forum Posts: 1 Member Since: March 19, 2022 Offline 4 March 19, 2022 - 3:50 am Bert I have a number of Model 43 218's and one 25 20. Im trying to post pics but my Imgur links arent working with your insert image button not sure what Im doing wrong. All receiver sights I know of use 2 screws. Bert, you now have me highly intrigued and I would consider it a privilege if you could provide similar info here.? I like the caliber and its pretty little shooter. The barrel is in great condition overall and retains its factory finish. We went to breakfast at the local truck-stop and headed up the hill to eradicate some pests from the hay fields.. Back then, we called them Digger Squirrels. standard and deluxe grade. Speer's 40-grain Spire SP required a long jump I have just recently acquired a model 43 in 22 hornet.with a serial number 15525 am I able to get a manufacture date and possibly a review on quality and aquracy.i have not yet had the chance to shoot it and would love to know what I can expect, Drew said SERIAL NUMBER 20669A WANT TO PURCHASE CALL SHOP 716-941-3946 .Click for more info. Hey Bert, Thanks so much, its not tapped like I said 98% ish. It was manufactured in 1952. Thanks so much for allowing us to glean experience from your in-depth knowledge and wisdom.. There was some question about the accuracy of the .218 Bee as compared to the .222,[citation needed] but that was likely due to the difference of inherent accuracy between the bolt-actions rifles commonly chambered for the .222 and the lever-actions commonly chambered for the .218 Bee. My typo. I havent been here long so not sure if you guys give approx values but I would estimate to be in VG 98% condition. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Winchester Model 43 Parts | Numrich Gun Parts Manufacturers Winchester Rifles 43 Winchester Rifles 43 Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Front Sight 2 Breech Bolt Sleeve 3 Breech Bolt Sleeve Pin 4 Barrel 5 / 6 Breech Bolt 7 Breech Bolt Plug 8 Breech Bolt Cocking Sleeve 9 Buttplate 10 Buttplate Screw 11 Extractor, Left 12 Hope I havent beat it up! There is no major damage to be noted, no scratches, scuffs, gouges or rust. I believe that Numrich has diagrams/schematics for the Model 43, but I sincerely doubt that you will need them. In terms of relative performance, the .218 Bee falls between the smaller .22 Hornet, and the larger .222 Remington and the more popular .223 Remington. This hinges on the fact that, again like the Hornet, the Bee is just flat-out fun to shoot, producing negligible recoil and tolerable muzzle report. ltima actualizacin de esta pgina: 01-May 19:56. Is it a Standard or a Special Model 43 rifle? So Inherited a nice Model 43 in 218 Bee along with others but this one has peeked my interest more than others, so a few notes after reading this. Hornady has become the most reliable source for Bee brass, offered in both loaded ammunition and as a component. Magazines canroutinely be found on eBay, or at most large gun shows. I guess you could say, if its not going to matter, I would like to make a custom shooter out of this.. Once I modify the stock with a slight palm-swell and taper the forearm, I do plan to checker both palm and forearm. From reading this thread, I see the rifle is equipped with the swept bolt and a plain (no checkering) wood stock (pretty though!). A forum community dedicated to all firearm owners and enthusiasts. -Premium quality mag made in the USA. 62,617 mfg. The Winchester Model 43 is a relatively little-known rifle compared to the company's many legends, such as the Model 94 and Model 70. From what I have read here, I dont think there will be anything unique about this particular rifle? It is a 218 Bee and a standard rifle. Seller Description. WINCHESTER Model 43, DELUXE, 218 BEE, 24" Barrel, Fine Bore, DELUXE CHECKERED STOCK, GERMAN Style Quick Release Claw Scope Mounts, W/Bushnell Banner 4X Scope, Bright & Clear, Duplex Reticle. Winchester Model 43, 218 BEE, 5 RDS by TripleK #693M Made in the USA! However, while the .25-20 and the .32-20 Model 65 rifles have 22-inch (560mm) barrels, the rifles chambered for the Bee have 24-inch (610mm) barrels. 1 single shot in the Bee. The latter is likely one of the strongest actions offered for this cartridge; one that would allow pursuing the Bees true potential. If yours are correct would you be interested in selling one? Similar to a Silver Grey Squirrel, but lived in the ground. Its in really nice shape its serial is 667 and as far as I know its standard model. Im traveling and a long way from home. Additional Information - dubbed "Poor Man's Model 70," round tapered barrel, box type mag. I like the caliber and its pretty little shooter. 400 Small Rifle Primers were used for all testing. Im hoping that someone can help me with a few things. When it comes to hunting, there is NOTHING that tops. If yes then Id contemplate a refurbished Weaver K4 to be period correct. It appears that your local gun shop is carrying Hornady ammo. Bert (just to the south of you in western Washington), Drew said Winchester Model 69A bolt action rifle ~ Winchester XPR Rifle Combo .243 Win. Very fine. Manufactured from 1949 to 1957 with standard Winchester markings, hooded ramp front and elevation adjustable rear sights and receiver tapped for sight/scope mounting. The Model 43 is a very simplistic design, and does not require much disassembly to properly clean. I have just recently acquired a model 43 in 22 hornet.with a serial number 15525 am I able to get a manufacture date and possibly a review on quality and aquracy.i have not yet had the chance to shoot it and would love to know what I can expect. Was this rifle originally drilled at the factory for the scope mounts? My Model 43 22 Hornet loves the Remington 45-gr HP factory load the best, and shoots 1/2-inch groups @100 yards with it. Bert, if you follow NW Sportsman Magazine (It appears we live just across the water from one another in Wa.) That said, some of the older powders provide outstanding accuracy and velocity, and precautions such as assuring ammunition boxes remain in the shade, or even placing them in your iced drink cooler on especially hot days, are standard procedures even with the newest powders. It's serial number is 23XX5A and is untapped with open sights. Winchester continued to catalog them through 1957 to sell remaining stock on hand. It is super awesome when someone like you takes the time to educate! Guns Rifles Winchester Rifles Modern Bolt Auto Single Other Bolt Action WINCHESTER MODEL DELUXE CALIBER BEE | 764 | 202 | Lc | 109.3885ms, WINCHESTER MODEL 43 DELUXE CALIBER 218 BEE, WINCHESTER MODEL 43 DELUXE CALIBER 218 BEE. Yes my local store has 2 or 3 brands.i have sighted rifle in today.mind you not 100 percent fine tuned.i was in the middle of a bear hunt hahabut with scope mounted and Hornady 35g vmax and American eagle 35g I was getting touching groups of 3 at 50 yards.i did a bore sight and first group of 3 just bore sighted the group was less than half inch at 25 yardsdialed it in a bitand managed clover leafs at 50 yards with both brands of ammo.i was in a rush to get moving ? Winchester did not begin drilling & tapping them for mounting a scoped until October of 1950. I have a model 43 in 22 Hornet which has been drilled and tapped for scope mounts. Though I have plenty of varmint rifles hanging around (.204 Ruger Thomson Single Bull, .223 Remington AR Bushmaster, .22-250 Ruger M77 Bull.) Rate of twist for each calibre 1885 model? If you read the article that I wrote (in the Spring 2016 Collector magazine), it explains the Model 43 production history in better detail. Grandpa put me behind the Winchester 43 and I swear I couldnt miss. Is it 100% factory original (not drilled & tapped for a scope)? I may have a gem and not known it all this time. My grandfathers Model 43 .22 Hornet, s/n 32664A was passed down to me awhile back. I have found a schematic and wonder if there is any info available for dis and reassembly on line (or elsewhere)? I have a model 43 in 22 Hornet which has been drilled and tapped for scope mounts. In my spreadsheet, the SN for the 43 is 61555A. I have longed to own the .22 Hornet.. Nonetheless, this was a super cool thread, Bert! But if not I would go with newer optics like a Leupold 39, Im not the boy who first shot this rifle 40+ years ago. CALIBER - .218 BEE. Nevada Paul said I know they were made from 1949 to 1957. Opens in a new window or tab. At that time, Winchester did not drill & tap the receiver for mounting a scope, which means that your grandfather had it altered aftermarket. Simply look at the front face of the rear receiver frame ring. Modern rifle options were introduced by Marlin and Browning as late as 1989 (also lever guns) and Ruger chambered their No. .218 BEE. You may need to notch the wood to clear the sight. Your Model 43 rifle was manufactured in July, 1950. Cases are also easily formed from .32-20 WCF brass. JavaScript is disabled. This low magnification and relatively coarse crosshairs might have negatively affected groups somewhat. It fit right in between two other identical rifles to yours (S/Ns 662 & 682) that I have documented in the survey. PLEASE CALL US AT (478-257-6655) Model 43 Introduced in 1949. Winchester did not begin drilling & tapping them for mounting a scoped until October of 1950. New or newer Bee-compatible powders used here include Vihtavuori N-120, Accurate 1680, Hodgdons LilGun and CFE-BLK and Shooters World Blackout. The stock is also very fine showing numerous scattered minor handling marks and retaining most of the finish. The cartridge is named for the bore diameter of the barrel in which the cartridge is chambered rather than the usual practice in the United States of having the cartridge's nomenclature reflect in some way the bullet diameter. Ive already got a couple good varmint rifles, so Im not sure about this one. The rifle holds a period Williams Wide Guide 4x scope set in Weaver Top-Mount rings, which were left in place during all load testing. Selling original Winchester type 1A rear sight elevator with, Selling original Winchester pre-64 model 70 steel butt-plate, Selling original Winchester 1873 carbine trap-door butt-plat, WTB: Winchester model 70 Marksman coarse checkered butt pla, Suggestions for replacing or restoring a worn-out 1873 carbi. Gun has the factory knurled steel butt plate. Something went wrong. Can you post (or send me) a picture showing the top of the receiver and the D&T holes? Forum. I think I made out okay for what I paid for it. Gun has been Re-Blued and Stock Refinished. Winchester offers sporadic runs of factory ammunition and Quality Cartridge offers handloading hulls. Now that it is clear I am pathetically sentimental, and talk too much, I should get to the point! But its the same type of hope when I purchase a Power-Ball ticket. 3-Pack Winchester Model 43 218 BEE 5 RDS Magazine Mag Mags Made in the USA! 218 BEE Caliber 5 Rds. ECOM00050823. Winchester ~ 43 ~ .218 Bee. It was the first gun I shot as a boy and probably has more sentimental value as a family heirloom to me than monetary. Mechanically excellent. -5 round single stack mag. Winchester 92 94 43 1873 Rear Sight & Elevator- Winchester Model 94- 21168. Bore is very good with strong rifling. The non-factory original holes drilled & tapped for the scope mounts negatively affect the desirability and collector value. The pre-drilled & tapped receivers did not occur until October 1950, in the 31780 serial number range. Any help would be great. In your pictures of the two bolts.mine is the bottom one you have attached. Our Friends at Classic Firearm Parts may have it in stock. B-43, Kimber model 82 cocking screw for 218 Bee, Winchester model 43 Rifle, EXTRACTOR, new old inventory. 5 product ratings - Winchester Model 43, 218 BEE, 5 RDS by TripleK #693M Made in the USA! Your Model 43 was manufactured in late August, 1950. As a varmint shooter who spends a lot of time under a hot sun, I find newer temperature-insensitive formulas give me peace of mind. That is important to me due to my plans to restore it back to like-new, but modified from its original design and condition. Some of his rifles I intend to keep and some I intend to sell. Mac, I plan to keep them together with the rifle at the moment. PLEASE CALL US AT (478-257-6655), IF YOU HIT THE BUY NOW BUTTON THERE WILL BE (NO CREDIT CARD FEES OR SHIPPING COST ). Im going to assume standard as its not checkered..it has been drilled and tapped it came with bases when I bought it, I plan to do some shooting todayall I can find is 35 grain ammo I am in British Columbia Canada and the town I live in is very limited to what I can get.im not exactly sure what headspace issues are.i myself dont reload so it will.be factory ammo that I will shoot.how do i know if i have headspace issues and if i do have them how is it corrected, Also when I did a search on it.i found something about a slanted bolt handle.something about later models started coming with predrilled and tapped and a slanted bolt.slant of the bolt was towards the back off the rifle, Could this mean anything different.replaced an original bolt.maybe a warranty replacement later run maybe a last batch kinda thing with the upgrades that came out in 1950, Drew said Thanks in advance. On the pre-October 1950 production receivers, you will see that it has a 45-degree beveled face. Estimated Price: $ 900 - $ 1,300 Price Realized: Details Winchester Model 43 Bolt Action Rifle in .218 Bee Manufacturer: Winchester Model: 43-Rifle Type: Rifle Gauge: 218 bee Barrel: 24 inch round Finish: blue Grip: Stock: walnut Item Views: 8328 Item Interest: Average Serial Number: Catalog Page: 208 Class: Curio & Relic Long Gun Description: Looking for what information I can find and possibly find other vintage scope options I may have and possibly other front hoods that may have been used that will fit the 43. With that in mind, I chose Noslers 35-grain Ballistic Tip Lead Free (later swapped for Hornadys 35-grain V-MAX, which Ill get into momentarily) on the light end, Speers 40-grain Varmint SP and Sierras 45-grain Varminter SP as ideals, and Hornadys 50-grain SPSX (Soft-Point, Super eXplosive) at the heavy end. The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. My grandfathers Model 43 .22 Hornet, s/n 32664A was passed down to me awhile back. WINCHESTER MODEL 43 CALIBER 218 BEE. A good choice for Winchester collectors or .218 Bee fans. The cartridge was introduced as a commercial cartridge by Winchester in 1937 in their Model 65 lever action rifle, which was also chambered for the .25-20 and .32-20 Winchester cartridges. The bullet is based on the ancient .25-20 Winchester case and was introduced by Winchester in 1938 as a follow-up to their .22 Hornet success. Old Arms of Idaho strives to keep firearms fixable from the very old to the very new. Shortly after production began, Winchester changed the bolt design to a swept (bent) bolt handle, but it had nothing to do with the receiver being pre-drilled & tapped for mounting a scope. Any help would be great. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. My bad. Winchester Model 43 .218 Bee Bolt Action Varmint Hunting Rifle With Leupold Scope and Sling. 2-Pack Winchester Model 43 218 BEE 5 RDS Magazine Mag Mags Made in the USA! it has been drilled for a Weaver N2 side mount & has a C4 scope mounted to it. Algo sali mal. Thus far, I have a total of (67) Model 43 rifles verified in the 25-20 Win. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. Todos los derechos reservados. Im going to assume standard as its not checkered..it has been drilled and tapped it came with bases when I bought it. More difficult to find Winchester model chambered for the .218 Bee cartridge. Consulta cada anuncio para ver las opciones y los costos de envo aplicables a los envos internacionales.
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